Peter BL

Peter, it's a tough slice to chew, but I stand corrected The similarities between the Deumer and this 2nd type Juncker are stunning, but yes, there are minor differencies. I'm waiting for Pascal's book with great anticipation and instead of penetrating these details, I'll give the honours to Pascal with his book

cheers

Peter

Peter....as Pascal says, there's no absolute proof that certain Narvik shields can be attributed to certain makers. No need to stand corrected (you may well have called it right).

A really great thread ......Peter

No, that's not the one. Here's a link with Juncker shield.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...=Juncker+Narvik

cheers

Peter

That's one of my other shields Peter....... . I still maintain the Cupal shield shown is thought to be attributed to Junker.

Maybe when Pascal's book comes out we'll know more.

all the best........Peter

Peter... do you mean this type being, the so-called Cupal 'Snaggletooth' being a Junker....

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the feedback, but I have to disagree. Chris's Narvik is definately not a Juncker, which is easily identified by the wing-tips sitting above the horizontal bar. I insist that Chris's shield is of the so called Deumer design, with a reservation that it might be from a different manufacturer.

cheers

Peter

Peter...you may well be correct regarding the Junker shield...I think this type is still unknown. Below a couple of Deumer shields. The Army backed zinc is an early version, The KM version is a later version with the 'filled in area' between the shoulders.

N....if you look at the '4' in 1940 on the shield I posted and on your shield, you'll see the '4' is smaller the the '0' . Also under a loupe the quality of the detail is poor.

All the best.........Peter.

Hi....just thought I'd post a better scan of the Small '4' Fake. Nesderep's Narvik is certainly that type and not original.

Chris, that's a superb shield....not a Deumer but certainly original. As of this moment an 'unknown maker' but thought to be Junker.

Hope that helps.........Peter

Thanks Eric....incidentally a bit of info I got with the Award Doc....

' Kurt Kratzig, NCO Engineer, Navy MGB unit. Kurland cufftitle, 13-5-45. signed by the CO of the 5th S.Flott, Lt Comm Herman Holzapfel. The 5 S.Flott was Jan-April 45 based in the Netherlands (Den Helder) and carried out raids in the English Channel (Thames and Humber area). April 45 the unit was transferred to the Baltic (Bornholm, Libau). 8/9-5-45 the unit evacuated military personnel from Courland to the west. Mid-May 45 the boats sailed to Murwik and Flensberg, where they surrendered.'

All the best........Peter

another fantastic S-Boot grouping Erik ! thanks for sharing these, and to see a 12 Mai 45 date for the Kurland title with Holzapfel signature ....... great .............

Erich ~

I thought I'd post my Kurland award doc, dated the day after Signed by the same man. I hope you don't mind Eric. Great grouping incidentally.

KR.........Peter

Hi Pete..thanks for replying...I didn't like this one from the start but I think this badge will catch a few people out.This could be a new attempt in copying this badge.

Thanks for the Link...some superb examples posted.

Peter

A really nice grouping Bill.....here's my Sardinia doc to compare

KR........Peter

Hi...I found this badge for sale the other day and comparing it to known originals, I can't make up my mind on it. Any opinions appreciated.

Peter

That's interesting to know PK.....I guess the fantasy shield I pointed too took this piece as it's design.

Peter

It looks like the centre design of the Stalingrad shield (a fantasy shield ) produced in England in the late 70's. Check out the WAF Campaign shield index.

KR......Peter

Thanks for the help with this one.....I'll post a close-up of the reverse.

Kr.....Peter

Hi......I've had this medal(if that's what it is) for years now and really know nothing about it....any help would be appreciated.

Thanks..............Peter.

Hi Joe.........Your Narvik is definately an Original shield........I don't think the shield that started this thread is a small '4' fake but the over-detailed Eidleweiss is a giveaway that this shield is a copy.

Peter

Peter.

In my humble opinion, your shield is original.

Others will disagree.

Thanks for the on this shield.....I bought the piece about 3 years ago as an original but didn't realise how rare the Dunkirk shield was.

Now all I need is the Award doc.....

KR..........Peter

Thanks for that Gordon.....you're right of course, these weren't campaign shields but it's suggested these were awarded to soldiers who took part in operation Blucher (disrupting Allied ops), that could explain why so few were awarded......incidentally,the quote from the Robin Lumsden book, that these awards were made from sheet copper is inaccurate as they were made from locally sourced thin brass.

I guess that just leaves the question whether this award is original.......

It's a rare one alright Kevin, but in 4 years collecting campaign shields, I've never encountered another one of these. As for the number awarded....no-one really knows for sure but estimates are between 50 and a 100.

Peter

Hi Paul, thanks for the post......The Dunkirk shield was definately not a fantasy piece and was indeed authorised by the Commanding office vice-Admiral Frisius...... Entries in Solbuchs have been found and award docs are known to exist, although rare.

KR.........Peter

Hi All......recently showed this shield to one of the forum members who gave it the thumbs-up.

Any opinions welcome.........Thanks........Peter

Hi Pat...yes the shields posted are by an unknown maker but original. The best way I've found of comparing shields is the shape of the numbers in the date and looking at the coastlines around the shield and of course the eagles head which differs on each makers shield.

KR............Peter

Thanks Peter, and welcome to the forum!

I was pretty confident in it as well, and I'm glad you agree on its originality. Like I mentioned, it may or may not be maker marked as I do not dare to peel the pins back as they appear very brittle so any guesses on maker will have to be by design and production only. Seems to be a daunting task to me, but perhaps someone has an idea on the maker.

Cheers and thanks for all comments!

Pat

Hi Pat......I'm pretty sure this shield below is te same as the one you posted.........Peter

Yea it does, and thank you very much for your expertise reguarding this shield.

No problem, been there myself....incidentally here's a scan of a JFS Krim

here are some better pics, and what is JFS ??

Hi...JFS was the maker 'Josef Feix und Sohne' but the shield you've posted is a copy of this shield below. Hope that helps............Peter

I put the pins back to thier original position

Difficult to say with these pictures but I'd say this is a fake based on the JFS......try and get some sharper pics.

KR............Peter