martin3

You're welcome!

Best regards,

Martin

Hello,

Sorry to say, but I am afraid this cross does not look like an original to me.

The finish is very crude, the size of the flanges differ from left to right and and bottom.

The wearing looks very artificial.

The pin style is one you encounter on Latvian fakes.

To me it is a very crude cast copy.

Best regards,

Martin

Dear all,

Anyone who can identify this maker?

I can't make anything out of the MM and identifying by characteristics is impossible for me, with 1914 crosses.

I thought I'd recognised a faint 4 but I don't think this cross is likely to have a Pr?sidal Kanzlei number.

Thanks in advance for your time and trouble!

Best regards,

Martin

I've been browsing through your pages, and your collection can be called anything but SMALL!

Change the topic title!

Outstanding!

How in the name of our good Lord have you been able to collect 198 fire eagles ? ? ? ? ? ?

I've been checking, you have not been double posting...

Great work!

Best regards,

Martin

Hello All,

maybe a political meeting item...

Sebastien.

My guess is a donation pin, maybe even a membership pin.

But it is a guess.

And this was behind the cover flap.

You need to take a close look, but I guess those are beard hairs...

I had a similar experience with my Hunyadi soldbuch.

This is the book:

Sorry to say it is fake. There have been a rash of fake 1870s showing up on ebay

with this lopsided crown.

Thanks for your reaction, Greg.

So this was probably made to put between a real 1914 core.

I can't believe people would actually ruin a good piece, but alas...

1 euro well spend to study a fake!

It could have been worse.

Best regards,

Martin

Good question Pete!

I have one as well as a "thank you card". On some sites it's often linked to help for the East. I do know that the blue cornflower was worn as a covert symbol of support in Austria for the NS when the Swastika was banned. Whether it's to do with that I do not know....

Cheers

Don

Don, your card is signed by Alfred Roth, I' thought I heard of that name before and indeed he was the antisemitic mud thrower I thought he was.

He made this Deutsch-V?lkische Schutz- und Trutzbund big.

This was the filthy corner where Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart, Julius Streicher, Werner Best, Kurt Daluege and Fritz Sauckel came from.

I think this stuff is very, very interesting.

I learned a lot from this simple corn flower, thanks for posting!

Regards,

Martin

Thanks for the info, a quick search on the internet seems to throw this up as a Baverian organisation.

However I'm still no nearer getting a translation of the actual title.

Der Deutsch-V?lkische Schutz- und Trutzbund = something like the German 'People' Protection- and Pride League or Bund.

Sorry I wasn't more clear yesterday...

Babelfish is up again, so here's a vague translation (partly Babelfish, partly me) of the German part:

The German Deutsch-People Protection and Pride Bund was an anti-Semitic 'people' organization in the Weimar Republic.

Founded in 1919.

The federation represented the largest 'v?lkische' and anti-Semitic organization in the early Weimar Republic.

By 1922 it had 200,000 members over 600 local groups. The members had to prove their arian descent, as association symbol served the swastika.

The principal activity of the Protection and Pride Bund existed in racistic and revisionistic propaganda.

It spread anti-Semitic rushing writings as for instance falsified 'The protocols of the Elders of Zion'.

Also civil and social-democratic politicians were attack targets of the agitation.

The assassins of the politicians Erzberger, Scheidemann und Rathenau maintained close contacts to the federation.

By 1922 the federation was forbidden in most countries of Germany.

Many members changed thereupon into the NSDAP.

Thanks, I also think it is a beautiful gun.

Comes with a nice story.

A previous neighbour of me collected an underground hideout full of weapons with his friends.

They were about 12 years old and lived on one of the Dutch islands, Terschelling I believe.

During the transitional time directly after the occupation the Germans overthere were very busy just watching their own backs.

So these boys stole everything from the bunkers they could lay their hands on, while the Germans stayed at one central point.

Make that several Tellermine, MP's and even an MG-42.

In the end one of the fathers found out about it and when the Allied arrived at the island, everything was taken from the hideout of course.

This was one of the pieces my neighbour had already smuggled to his parents home and he kept it.

I was very happy to get it from him.

The holster was a gift from another man, who heard I got the German flairgun.

He said he I could have his German flare gun holster.

He couldn't recall where he got it from, just that he always had it since the war.

So it probably is some left beute material.

Best regards,

Martin

The second is a sort of Leistungsabzeichen I believe, there are documents that accompany them. They were also awarded at a special ceremony. Out of interest I assume that it's marked for Lehmann & Wundernberg, Hannover? I've been thinking of starting a thread on the variants of these over in the membership badge section.

Cheers

Don

A correct assumption, Don, about the maker.

Feel free to move the post or copy the picture to the new database.

It is indeed not a tinnie but a reward.

It is my mistake that I keep it in a box with tinnies.

Best regards,

Martin

Hello!

This Holster look home made.

All the best

Nesredep

No, I don't think it is home made, but where it is from I can't tell.

It has been altered and repaired several times and it is not in an good condition anymore.

I will take some close-ups and put it in the ID-forum, because I really would like to know where it comes from.

Regards,

Martin

And the back side.

It is a non-iron material btw.

I know it ain't much and chances of being real are almost nihil.

But I think you can understand I could not leave this one when finding it in a marching medals box, priced ? 1 each.

So let me put it this way: this is a restrike, isn't it?

A little too undamaged for such an old core, I thought.

It just didn't belong in that box, so I took it.

Best regards,

Martin

Couldn't find this one in the database, but if it already is a mod can sweep this one out:

DRV -DJRA.

If I recall correctly: Deutsche Radfahrer Verein (German Bicycle Club)

Deutsche Jugend Radfahrer Abzeichen (German Youth Bike Riders Badge, bronze grade)

The ? pops up by pushing the alt cap in combination with 148 on the numeric key path.

Maybe a German member can do a better translation than me, I have a severe wodka problem right now and Babelfish seems off the hook.

I don't know a better translation for 'v?lkische' than 'from the people'.

Meaning this in a blood, honour and race type of view.

Catch me?

A highly antisemitic German people organisation prohibited around 1922.

Most members ending up in the NSDAP later on.

I get a bit of a Th?le feeling.

So rare and old, that one!

Regards,

Martin

Der Deutsch-V?lkische Schutz- und Trutzbund war eine antisemitische und v?lkische Organisation in der Weimarer Republik.

1919 wurde der Deutsch-V?lkische Schutz- und Trutzbund gegr?ndet. Der Bund stellte in der fr?hen Weimarer Republik die gr??te v?lkische und antisemitische Organisation dar. 1922 hatte er 200.000 Mitglieder in ?ber 600 Ortsgruppen. Die Mitglieder mussten ihre "arische" Abstammung nachweisen, als Vereinssymbol diente das Hakenkreuz.

Die Hauptt?tigkeit des Schutz- und Trutzbundes bestand in rassistischer und revisionistischer Propaganda. Er verbreitete antisemitische Hetzschriften wie etwa die gef?lschten "Protokolle der Weisen von Zion". Auch b?rgerliche und sozialdemokratische Politiker waren Angriffsziele der Agitation. Die Attent?ter der Politiker Erzberger, Scheidemann und Rathenau unterhielten enge Kontakte zu dem Bund.

1922 wurde der Bund in den meisten L?ndern Deutschlands verboten. Viele Mitglieder wechselten daraufhin in die NSDAP.

Shoot me, it is even the first time I see it and I thought I saw about all the tinnies.

No text in the catalogue?

National-Socialist Blue Flower Growers?

Best regards,

Martin

Wasn't there a theory those smaller suspension rings where on crosses meant for Spangen?

I am still a bit puzzeled by the why of the two types 23.

So every now and then I hop by to see if some new info has been found.

I still haven't found any...

Regards,

Martin

Hi Snoopy,

To be honest: I don't know.

It has been in German hands as there are handwritten German abbreviations in it.

The gun fits perfectly and the German flareshells also.

But the securing strap doesn't fit around the gun grip.

So I was hoping someone here could tell me something about it!

Think I will post a seperate thread for the holster.

Best regards,

Martin