Thomas W

"...unofficial badges were a lot more common than the experts claim."

Thomas,

I disagree with your sentence. On the contrary, Kraus did make aware in his study a few years ago of the variety of non-regulation patches!

Krauss is only one source.

I've personally had experience with several experts who told me that such unofficial badges are very rare. Also, the books about uniforms usually have no information about unofficial badges.

Some experts know about them, but most don't.

Thomas I think the abbreviation starts with an A

... compare with the letter "A" from: Auf Wiedersehen

..and yes, Rudolf is not the Best in Rechtschreiben

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Maybe it's "Arm.," short for Armierungs. He could be a member of the 15. Armierungsgruppe or 15th Reinforcement Squad, which could accompany infantry assault troops.

Thank you Thomas for posting the script. I'm still not sure what the abbreviation means.

" ... ist eben Krieg"

There is some irony in the words of Pionier Rudolf Heintze.

Two or three gas pioneers were assigned to each infantry assault squad during an operation. In the photo, there are two gas pioneers armed with rifles and equipped in light assault order. The second gas pioneer in the photo wears colored brassards on both sleeves, identifying him as a member of a shock troop. I'm saving the photo for my book on German assault troops, so I can't post the whole thing here.

The abbreviation may have something to do with gas pioneers who were assigned to infantry shock troops.

Thomas, could you post the entire script?

"15 tum. II Battl.' next to the undecipherable he spelled Bataillon wrong. Dyslexic?

It starts to be a slippery slope at some point. I saw a picture of Jesus on my french toast this morning. It all comes down to belief.

ps. I'm not for or against Robin's skull. I just want to "see" the proof before I make up my mind.

Well, I posted this photo for Robin and Sergeant 08, mostly. They enjoyed it.

That's the only thing I care about.

I just don't see it.

That's why I put "skull" in quotations marks. The image isn't clear enough to be decisive, but I've found evidence that unofficial badges were a lot more common than the experts claim.

Here's the Absender block of the gas-pioneer card.

"Pionier Heintze

15 tum.(?) II Battl.

Pion. Reg 35[,] 6 Komp"

In the photo .......... is the skull on the lower sleeve?

Upper. The problem is that the man moved as the photo was being taken. His friend is standing perfectly still, but the man with the sleeve badge was swaying, and the image is just blurry enough to make it indistinct.

As I said before, I've identified 15 different unofficial shock-troop badges. I haven't seen any other photos of them or seen any mention of them in any source.

Your badge is almost certainly unofficial, Robin, so it wouldn't be found in any regulations.

Thomas, thanks again for posting such a nice photo!

That detail looks really interesting to me. You said, the badge in the photo is a poison-gas sleeve badge?

Do you have more informations about the Regiment?

According to writing on the back of the card, this Pionier is a member of 15 tum.(?), II Batl., 6th Comp., Pionier Regiment 35. The card is dated May 29, 1915, and says "Greetings from Flanders."

Pionier-Regiment 35 was established March 29, 1915. It had two battalions of 3 companies each. Pio-Reg 35 carried out its first gas attack April 22, 1915, north of Ypres.

The second gas regiment, Pionier-Regiment 36, was established in May of 1915. In August of 1917 both regiments were dissolved and replaced with Pionier-Bataillone 35-38. In February of 1918 Pionier-Batailon 39 was added, and in June Bataillone 94-96 were added. By the end of the war there were eight gas battalions.

This sleeve badge must be unofficial. I have identified about 15 different unofficial sleeve and shoulder-strap badges for assault troops. I have never seen them in other books or photos, so now I think there is a real chance that Robin's badge is authentic.

You can see that in this photo the skull(?) has a very crude shape. It seems likely that by the end of the war the gas troops would want a nicer badge. They probably knew about the flamethrower badges, so maybe somebody decided to copy the flamethrower badge in black.

Pionier of Pionier-Regiment 35, one of two poison-gas regiments, wearing some kind of sleeve badge. Looks like a dark skull-and-crossbones to me.

Thanks Thomas. Not something I am familiar with. I was not aware of any unofficial badges from this unit. They fought at Verdun both in 1916 and 1917, so perhaps it is related to that.

Chip

I think it may be a shock-troop badge. I've got photos of about fifteen different unofficial sleeve and shoulder-strap badges worn by the shock troops and assault squads of various units. "Instructions for the Training of Shock Troops," from Anleitung für Kompagnieführer, recommends that "A special badge on the sleeve or shoulder strap facilitates the recognition of shock troops and raises the self-confidence of the men."

What is the size? There is no point of reference in this picture.

Metal sleeve badge worn by a Schütze of the 2nd Machine Gun Company, Infantry Regiment No. 168, April of 1917.

Kevin, thanks for your comment! Unfortunately I don't have any information regarding similar tank model produced by Americans. The ones that I know look different. Maybe someone could help with that?

The M1917 Six-ton Tank was the American version of the FT-17. Only 64 Six-ton Tanks had been built by the Armistice, and it didn't see action. It differed from the Renault in that the exhaust pipe was on the opposite side. (This photo is actually an FT-17.)

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m1917.html

Armbands that say "----- Batl. 132"; note the reserve crosses on the caps.

Württemberger wearing a desert khaki tunic and field-gray trousers. No idea which unit he belongs to...

Thanks very much, gentlemen. I appreciate it.

Is this the sleeve badge of a Flugabwehr-Maschinengewehr-Abteilung?

Did they actually put gas in them?? I didnt know they would have a gas grenade. What would they use? Chlorine or phosgene?

Actually, they used tear gas. The Russians had a toxic gas grenade, but it wasn't effective because grenade heads couldn't hold enough of the agent.

A small amount of tear gas can effect a trench full of soldiers without gas masks, but a small amount of poisonous gas will dissipate quickly.

Any idea if it is the same grenade as the one I have pictured? I am still not sure of how mine fits into the picture...

The "flame ball" was identical to the smoke grenade. There's no way to tell them apart except by their guts.

Fantastic stuff!

I dont know how I missed this!!!

Were there any pics of the field guns of the Btl?

Unfortunately, no. Photos of infantry guns seem to be almost nonexistent.

Funny you should say that..................about a year ago, someone suggested to me that the black skull (with red eyes) might be some sort of Turkish version of the German badge. They thought so because of the colour scheme.

As soon as I finished that flamethrower book the publisher asked me to write a book about German assault troops that I just finished. It's incredible the number of unofficial shock-troop badges there were. The new book will show several different "S" badges, colored rectangles, wreaths, an "H" badge on the shoulder strap (for "Handgranate"), numerals, crossed grenades, single grenades, and a chevron, all (except the "H") on the upper left arm or left elbow. All are in period photos, not modern collections.

Besides the grenade and crossed-grenade badges, none of these have been described in any sources I've seen. None were authorized, either, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone would knock up an unofficial black-skull badge. The Austrians based their own assault-troop badges on the skull worn by the flamethrower platoon of Sturmbataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr), which trained the Austrians. Prior to the k.u.k. Sturmtruppen, the Austrians had no tradition of Totenkopf badges. Since Sturmbataillon No. 5 (Rohr) was the premier shock-troop training organization, it's possible that some Germans or Turks were so impressed by the nifty skull badge worn by their instructors that they made a similar badge for themselves.

As for your age, I'm 48. The day I choose old postcards over gorgeous Bulgarian women is the day I lie down and pull a dirt blanket up over my head!

There's a girl in that photo? Really? Where?

Young man, I worry about you. There's more to life than skulls! But I appreciate the thanks.

(The publisher still has my !@#$%^&* photo collection, by the way. The very dark Totenkopf is on page 67 of the book, under the chapter on the Ottoman Empire. I was going to scan it and post it here, but when I enlarged it, all I could see was dots. I have to wait until my collection is returned to me.)

4. French tank Renault FT-17. There's a strange dedication on the back (in English) made by mistake I suppose: "An American one-man tank".

Those kinds of mistakes are very common in commercial postcards. One of the most famous is this one, which show French troops operating flamethrowers, but the caption says, "Giving the Germans gas. French officers, American infantry. France."

My flamethrower book was finally published. I sent a copy to a Bulgarian friend to deliver to the National Museum of Military History in Sofia, because they'd been so helpful. My friend sent me a photo of a museum staffer accepting the book.

There's a book in that photo? Really? Where?