Thomas W

Kurland in 1915.

Seems pretty ironclad. Thanks.

Handgranaten-Gruppe of the 12th Company, Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 16, August 25, 1915. The NCO on the right is wearing a badge on his upper left sleeve. Any ideas?

I've never seen a TK camo helm before ................ but anything is possible.

What's the one on the right? I have a card that has a similar design on a placard. My photo was taken in 1916.

This was for sale on eBay a while back. Real? Freikorps?

By the way, since this is the Flammenwerfer-Totenkopf thread, in case anyone is interested I recently discovered that I have in my collection a photo of the father of one of the people who sometimes comments here, Bob Lembke.

Bob confirmed that this is indeed his father, Pionier Georg Lembke, 2. Kompagnie, Garde-Reserve-Pionier-Regiment. I never forget a face, and Bob had sent me an image of his father years ago. My photo shows Bob and the 1st Platoon of his company about to go into battle at Verdun, very likely on December 28, 1916, the day Bob's father was terribly wounded on the Dead Man.

My photo is on the left, and Bob's is on the right, taken two years later.

How did you find it??

I've got my own private thread going here:

http://1914-1918.inv...howtopic=175244

I was searching YouTube for WWI flamethrowers and up popped that video with all my photos. And a photo of your original Totenkopf badge.

It has less than 100 views, so in a sense YouTube has already taken it down.

Well, it wasn't me.

I think they must have copied everything from this site !!!

Every single photo except for one is mine. That's okay. Public forum and all that. I'll bet Chris Boonzaier did it.

All right, which one of you made this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iy3PQP7qiE

Correct ................. but they still chalked it up in 1914!

Here's another reason why I think it has more to do with danger than with the heraldry of any specific unit.

There could be other photos lurking around showing similar (even black!) TK use by them pre- the official TK.

Absolutely. I just think that the specific context of this Totenkopf is "BEWARE! POISON! DANGER!" rather than a connection to any other unit or tradition, especially since it's such a sloppily drawn image.

This type of skull as on the chalk board was also associated with the military pre-1914. Not just a danger sign.

Yes, but the flamethrower detachment had no connection to any of the units that had used the Totenkopf before the war.

If the FW troops felt that a totenkopf should be adopted by them as early as 1914, maybe the later 'approved' insignia just happened to be the Prussian type because of its old associations with the Crown Prince and his Leibhusaren.

In other words, the KP was 'rubber stamping' what the FW troops wanted, using his own preference of TK.

That's the theory of the Webmaster. Personally, I don't think the chalk signboard in question refers to the troops' preference for a symbol. For example, there are lots of chalk signboards with drawings of pistols, grenades, horseshoes, trench guns, etc. The flamethrower pioneers had their dedicated unit since October of 1914, but they didn't received the sleeve badge until July of 1916. That's quite a long time to go without having any special insignia, particularly since hand-grenade throwers and shock troops had been wearing their own informal badges since late 1915 or so.

I think when the Crown Prince recommended the Totenkopf to the Kaiser, the two of them were making an extremely Prussian statement about their own patronage of this regiment. I think the Prussian Totenkopf represented the elite status of the unit rather than its dangerous missions. On the other hand, I think the chalkboard Totenkopf drawn by the men of Flammenwerfer-Abteilung Reddemann is the equivalent of a skull-and-crossbones on a jar of rat poison or a sign on a minefield.

I have lots of photos of flamethrower pioneers taken prior to the awarding of the Prussian Totenkopf. You'd think that if they wanted to be identified with a Totenkopf at least a few of them would have put one on before July of 1916, especially since so many other assault troops were wearing unofficial badges by then. But so far the 1914 photo is the only one I've seen associating flamethrower pioneers with a Totenkopf before the official badge was awarded.

Okay, another layer to the Flammenwefer-Totenkopf story:

This link was posted here a little earlier:

http://www.tapferes-...lungsgeschichte

I asked the Web master for a high-res copy of the photo at the top of the page, and he agreed, under the condition that I not post it anywhere else. It turns out that the photo shows members of Flammenwerfer-Abteilung Reddemann in late 1914, sitting with Richard Fiedler, inventor of the flamethrower, and they've got a Totenkopf drawn on the signboard. The photo was taken at a factory in Westphalia, where they later built the Kleif M.1915, the weapon that looks very different from all the other Fiedler designs used by the flamethrower battalions and regiment.

I've traced an exact outline of the Totenkopf on the sign. It was drawn in chalk, which is why it looks so crude. To me, it's clearly a reference to "poison" or "danger" rather than any military unit or any part of German heritage. The original Fiedler flamethrowers were designed to spray either flame or poison gas; in fact, the Germans used flamethrowers to spray poison gas at Rawa on June 6, 1915.

So, I disagree with the Webmaster of the site, whose theory is that the flamethrower pioneers originated their Totenkopf insignia and then the higher authorities later approved it. According to my research, the Prussian-style Totenkopf worn by the flamethrower pioneers had a lot of historical and cultural significance, and the badge was considered a formal award, suggested by the Crown Prince and apporved by the Kaiser. I think the chalk Totenkopf drawn on the signboard by the members of Flammenwerfer-Abteilung Reddemann only represents "poison" or "Beware!" These men see themselves as dangerous dealers of death from flame and gas, so they label themselves as such.

Only the back cover?

I hoped, it could find the way on the front cover.

The writer has no authority on editorial decisions. My editor made all the decisions, and I just saluted and said "Zu Befehl!"

The back cover.

In this case you will surely like this picture.

What a coincidence! The same photo appears on the back cover of my new book, which will be published fairly soon.

It was fun making teeny little handlebar mustaches out of putty. I had to give up modeling because of my eyesight. To do that sort of work today, I'd need to lengthen my arms to nine feet and strap on a pair of binoclulars.

Had to convert WWII German figures, since at the time nobody made WWI versions.

Rear view.

And a nice box lid .....................

I built that model years ago and got it on the cover of a long-defunct modeling magazine.

Here's the back of the card.

Just noticed ............. the GKSK photo stamp appears to date from 1919, unless old stamps were used by successor units.

When was the chevrons rank badge introduced? I thought it was 1921, but I may be mistaken (again!)

If I'm mistaken about the chevrons, the photo is probably from 1919.

I've got one that shows a flamethrower pioneer wearing one in 1916:

Please correct me if I am wrong here.

I am too lazy in my old age ...........

1. The Heuschkel unit served in 1919-20 ??

2. The Ober/Stabsgefreiter badge dates from 1921 ??

3. The TK is an official WW1 FW badge ............. not a later unofficial one .............. but is still worn long after it should have been removed, according to the instructions of the Crown Prince ??

So .............. both the WW1 FW TK and the Heuschkel badge were worn unofficially after 1920 ??

The Freikorps units were virtually banned by the National Disarmament Law (Entwaffnungsgesetz) of 1920. Some Freikorps units were absorbed into the Reichswehr and continued to wear their insignia until about 1921. Essentially you're right. After November 11, 1918 the official flamethrower Totenkopf was banned, and after August 11, 1920, most Freikorps insignia were banned.

By the way, I've exchanged e-mails with the guy who runs the Web site with the embroidered badge, and he says he'll send me a high-resolution copy of the photo of the "Flammen-Kommando" that has a Totenkopf on the signboard. I think it dates from 1914. That would be pretty fascinating if true.

To me, looks embroidered in white cotton?

You're right. White cotton. You don't see too many photos of flamethrower Totenkopf badges--even the nonofficial ones--after the early 1920's. I'll bet that since there were so many Freikorps guys wearing Totenkopfen all over their unifroms, what happened was the flamethrower pioneers simply stopped wearing theirs. When you perceive yourself as an elite and then suddenly see every Tom, Dick, or Harry wearing similar insignia, you don't want to be considered just another schlub.