Thomas W
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At some point I'm hoping to find a period photo of a flamethrower pioneer with a Totenkopf on his helmet.
In the meantime...
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Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 201.
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Nope. That, my friend, is a crewman of A7V Tank 501 "Gretchen." He's training in Stosstrupp tactics at Beuville, under the tutelage of Sturmbataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr). It's the only photo I've ever seen of a tanker wearing grenade bags. His shoulder strap is light gray, with a red "K" on it. I won't post the rest of the photo, because it's in my book that Schiffer is about to publish, but the tanker sitting in front of this guy has an "S" for Stosstrupp on his upper left sleeve. I knew that tankers were trained as shock troops, but it's nice to finally have photographic evidence of it.
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It's the shade of the shoulder strap, compared to the rest of the uniform, that gives it away. And yes, I have the answer.
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Give us a clue... does he need this get up for his job, or is he just posing "cool"?
The answer is: He sometimes had to use grenade bags for his job, but mostly he didn't.
Another hint: Look carefully at the shoulder straps.
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So, no guess on what he does? Hint: It's the only such photo I've ever seen.
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Grenade bags, P08 pistol tucked in his belt and attached to a lanyard around his neck. Looks like an infantry assault trooper, but he isn't.
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Thanks very much. I appreciate it.
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Hello!
Vereinslazerett.
There were 85 Vereinslazarett-Züge. This hospitals recieved their equipment and were run by civilian organisations or the communes where they used to be.
Would there be Austrians and a Romanian at such a hospital in Upper Bavaria? Or was this photo taken in Romania but sent from Upper Bavaria?
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I think the men of Landsturm Battalion Chemnitz XIX/11 were just a patrol to protect or search for something, as they never saw frontline action, they were guarding the rear areas of the 4th Army, Armee-Abteilung C, Heeresgruppe Kronprinz and 7th Army during the war. The 1st Company served as a guard for a French POW company. No need for stormtroops there at all.
The armbands may be related to the guarding of POWs as these wore (yellow) armbands as well.
You may be right. On the other hand, these men have no ammunition pouches. They appear to be carrying their bullets in their tunic pockets, which is another reason I identified them as assault troops. Armbands, bullets in pockets, the use of the word Patrouile, and the fact that they're from two, possibly three different companies indicates to me that they're part of an assault unit. Whether it was an actual assault unit or simply one set up because everyone else was creating them, it's impossible to say.
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How can you tell theyre shock troops?
They're from different companies, and the writing on the back identified them as being a Patrouille, an early term for an assault unit. It's unlikely that men from different companies would pose together, patrol together, or all wear mourning brassards at the same time. I think the sleeve brassards are green or red, the colors used to identify assault troops according to Anleitung für Kompagnieführer (K.F.U.). Berlin: Reichsdruckerei, 1917.
Keep in mind that many of the "assault" units of the Landsturm never saw action. They formed the units because it was the trendy thing to do, and Sturmtrupps had a lot of prestige.
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Don't forget that in the background is a Doppelkleif or double Kleif comprised of two mittlere Flammenwerfer (Kleif) M.1917. You can see the 1.5 m hose and the 3 m hose attached to the 1.5m Grosse Strahlrohr or large lance. The double Kleif was used when a Grof could not be moved forward.
Between the Kleif M.1914 and Wex is a Kleif M.1917. The oil can next to the nitrogen bottle has two kleine Zünder or small igniters lying on the top.
Here's the Kleif M.1916. It's different from the M.1917 in that it has three short legs, and the propellant line is on the left side. Note the construction of the oil tank; it's made of two rings and two semi-spherical caps welded together instead of being one continuous cylinder of metal.
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This is an interesting posting. Here is a picture that I may have used here before of my Great Uncle.
Pistols and rifles, and leather knees on the trousers. Very typical of Stosstrupps.
Here's a member of a shock troop of Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 102.
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This well-known image has been used in many English-language books, labeled as "stormtroopers." As you can see, it's actually a Batterietrupp. Note that the second man in the column is equipped with grenade bags, while the last man has a trench dagger. They appear to be wearing the leather gaiters of the artillery, since they're brown rather than black, and some may have leather reinforcements on the inner surface of their trousers.
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what is "the Battery Squad of Reserve-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 57" in german? Did they have training different to other Feld Arty units?
The German term is Batterietrupp. They were trained in shock tactics and hand-grenade combat, because their job was to carry out reconnaissance for field-artillery batteries. They often ran into the enemy and engaged him at close quarters. That's why men of Batterietrupps were armed with trench daggers, the symbol of shock troops.
From Vocabulary of German Military Terms and Abbreviations, U.S. Army War College, 1917:
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Chemnitz was in the XIX A.K., XIV A.K. was Baden. It's somewhat hard to imagine these guys being assault troops carrying Gewehr 88's..
They're unusual, but not unheard of. Here are late-war assault troops with Kar 88s.
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Nice trousers... are these the Sturm trupp issued pants or one of the "knees repaired with leather" pants?
My guess is they're the official mountaineering/shock-troop trousers.
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That is a cool photo indeed.... have they taken the But off the lewis??
Yes! Isn't that weird?
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I wonder if those are not mourning brassards? Sometimes you see them on german photos.
I thought of that, but the writing on the back identifies the men as belonging to a Patrouille, which was an early term for assault unit. The earliest assault units wore brassards on the left arm to identify them from regular soldiers. It's always hard to be sure of colors in monochromatic photos, of course, but the hue of the brassards doesn't appear to be that dark, and the men are from different companies. It wasn't often that men of an entire battalion would wear mourning brassards.
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Thanks. It just arrived today. I'm quite happy with it. "New" images of the A7V on the battlefield are very rare.
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Thanks, Naxos. I appreciate it.
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Here's the writing. Can anybody translate it? Thanks.
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So, in English:
"I send you the best greetings and communicate to you that I am since 10th of the month in the homeland in the collective(?) hospital St. Ottilien in Upper Bavaria, in the hope that my card finds you in the best of health, I remain your Vizefeldwebel Jörg _________"
Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.
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Real Combat Photo?
in Germany: Imperial: Rick (Research) Lundstrom Forum for Documentation and Photographs
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It's impossible to say if that's a real combat photo or not. The rifleman is totally stock still, which makes him look like he's posing. Also, he's not wearing any equipment.
Here's a real combat photo taken at the Haumont Woods, Verdun, on February 21, 1916. In the background is a flamethrower squad of the 16th Company, III. Garde-Pionier-Bataillon. Handwriting on the front of the photo says it was taken at 5:00 P.M.