Tom King

Dave

Thanks for your input, seems that this medal has stirred some enmities.  There is lots wrong with Border Force and the Home Office on that we can agree. BF is certainly not the police, I speak from experience of both,  but then again  I have yet to meet anyone who thinks it is.  The days of  the lounge suited immigration service and customs officers operating in large gangs is long gone. Poor pay and working conditions make the job unappealing and retention of staff is challenging, the reality is the  amount of officers reaching 20 years service will be very small, once the legacy immigration and customs officials have all retired. 

However my gripe is about recognition of service, for people working in any operational frontline role, whether that's simply through the grind of daily service, dealing with small boats in the English Channel, policing inner city estates or military being deployed overseas to conflict zones, it's  something I am quite passionate about. Put a uniform on and enforce any law in most 1st world countries and you become an easy target of abuse from sections of the public and media alike, as you represent authority, which justified or not an increasing section of today's society does not like or respect.

I don't think the UK has any risk of going down the path of some countries, getting recognition in the UK within the medals and honours system outside of the establishment and the cult of celebrity is like getting blood out of a stone.  The US military as we know, has a different ethos to the British culture when it comes to medals. What makes the British system right and theirs wrong. Human nature to judge others based on our own cultural systems and beliefs, but I think their system is about recognising service in all its forms, which ours is reluctant to do.  A chest full of medal ribbons for the military, so be it, why not, give people something to be proud of, a single medal for long service in a challenging role, not sure what the problem is.

I agree this isn’t anti social media that’s why I took a defensive position to your dripping sarcasm, but now it seems that everyone and his dog gets one! which clearly defines your opinion.
 

Nothing further to add, good evening. 

Not sure what makes you think this is obscure?

Border Force and Immigration Enforcement are government uniformed law enforcement officers, yes by virtue of the UK system they are civil servants. As are Prison Officers and HM Coastguard. Most countries around the world recognise their customs and law enforcement officials and have done so for many years including Commonwealth countries such as Canada and Australia.Your attitude seems to reflect what's so wrong with the medals and honours system in the UK, you seem to think recognition of service is only deserving of the military or at a push  the 'emergency services' ( more media driven nonsensical terminology). I am not even going down the celebrity, sports establishment honours.

Why are they undeserving of a long service reward ? Long time overdue in my opinion, for the low paid, at times difficult and sometimes dangerous job they do.  UK Border Force regularly deploy overseas and have deployed in most major conflict zones where there has been emergency evacuations of British Citizens.  They have huge pressures 24/7 dealing with maritime issues in the English channel. Not an easy job dealing with desperate people in dangerous waters, that often ends in tragedy. Immigration Enforcement often work in difficult inner city areas doing a job that is challenging, whilst being vilified by sections of the media and politicians. It's not just sitting at an airport desk asking for a passport, which in itself is a job that at times leaves them subject to verbal and physical abuse. Your comments sadly show your ignorance or are intentionally disingenuous. 

Probably taken near the time of his retirement and he may not have had his Coronation medal issued as yet so he wore a substitute for the photograph. That or he forgot it and borrowed one so he had three medals for the photo.

I am always suspicious of unusual names details been added to unnamed single medals. Hard to prove either way, but it is strange that those that are named are always linked to unusual units or persons as opposed to being named to individuals that would have been entitled....

You dee see them occasionally in auctions and antique shops but are getting harder to find. I have been looking for a while for a Met belt..

What was his divisional number on H ?

Interesting he kept the same warrant number. I wonder if pensioners who rejoined were called something other than War Reserve as you say RP is nor WR.

I wonder what happened to that database does ESB historical records have access to it ?

The Metropolitan Police reserve were normal full time officers they were just employed on other duties not beat duty per se.

On the other hand War Reserve Constables were recruited directly for police duties during wartime. As the title suggests they were volunteers who had the full powers of Constable sworn in under the Special Constable Act. The Met for example during WW2 used around 5000 of its Special Constables Full time, recruited some 18000 WRCs and re engaged nearly 3000 police pensioners. 

I remember back in the 80s an officer not long out of his probation had been up to no good pretending he was on the flying squad and chatting up ladies working in banks. He got caught as one of the security managers at a certain bank was ex police, he was suspicious and asked to see his warrant card. He made a note of his name and reported it to the local police. Needless to say he was identified and called in to see his Divisional Chief Superintendent who gave him the option of resigning or facing a discipline investigation. He was gone the same day leaving half his stuff behind in the Section house. It was clearly an option to save embarrassment to both the job and the individual where it was clearly not a criminal matter but a discipline matter. Wouldn't happen today you can't resign even if you wanted to if facing gross misconduct discipline. 

Thats because the London Docks were commercial docks.

The docks that the Met were responsible for were all were Royal Navy dockyards.  So they were responsible for the security and policing of naval dockyards, not commercial enterprise.

Interesting question and not one I can answer properly without further research. Initial training would have been very limited in 1897 and be based on military concepts i.e. marching etc, most training was done out on division. I am not sure when Peel House was established which served as a training facility for many years. I would also assume that on attestation Constables would have immediately be assigned a divisional number. So new recruits so to speak would probably be shown on divisional strengths. Again this is an assumption on my part so if anyone else can enlighten us I would be pleased to hear it.

To qualify for the 1897 medal they had to be serving Metropolitan Police (or City of London Police, which was a separate medal) officer on the day of the jubilee and not already in receipt of the 1887 medal in which case they received a bar marked 1897 for the 1887 medal. The 5 year service ruling is a modern concept only introduced For the QEII  Golden Jubilee medal.  

1st Division: Woolwich

2nd Division: Portsmouth

3rd Division: Devonport

4th Division: Chatham

5th Division: Pembroke

6th Division: Rosyth

Mervyn I could not agree more. What a joke,not worth the effort.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24067335

Lets hope.....

Interesting photo. I cannot make out the divisional letter on the collars or helmets are they all the same ? I go with Mervyn the flag in the background suggests the 1911 Coronation, and the medal may be a local corporation coronation medal?

They are UK Police Chief Constables rank insignia.

No photos in the police archives for individuals although many had private photos taken. George joined 06/04/85 resigned 26/03/88 entitled to the 1887 Jubilee medal a PC on N Division. He resigned of his own accord.

I see that there is also a Charles Enticknap with such an unusual name he must be related he served 1887 to 1913

Guv, Guv'nor and Boss seem to be the main terminology in use in the Met today for Inspectors and above. Sir and Ma'am are also still used as the formal address.

As for veteran, it is used/misused a lot more in the US than in the UK. However the term is not just related to length of service. For instance soldiers who have survived a particular campaign or war no matter how long they fought could be considered veterans of that campaign or war, especially wars or battles where life expectancy was limited.

Great research to support this group.

One observation:

On 08/10/1894 Charley was promoted to rank of Detective Constable

Detective rank is not a promotion !

I missed the original reference to the 97 bar. It would be great to see a photo of what we are talking about here as this has got me intrigued. I have an unnamed 1897 somewhere which I assume originally was part of the spare allocation sent to Divisions.

When did officer actually receive these medals where they issued prior to the event or well after? With his discharge so close to the event is it not more than likely a medal was named to him in anticipation of him being in service and prior to the jubilee a submission made of the names of all serving officers. It may have then been sent to the division never to be issued as he was released from service prior to the event?

Can we have a fuller picture view of the style. As Bengullion suggests Met ACPO ranks have always traditionally had patch pockets and belts. I think it is Woods Jacket which he no doubt had made prior to going to Australia, and may well have worn when he got there. Whether he wore it in the Met or HMIC and changed the crowns can be perhaps investigated by the full style. He may have had it made at appointment specifically for Australia before leaving the UK.

These buttons are common to all Police ranks in England & Wales which are of the level of Association of Chief Police Officers. In the Met Police this is the rank of Commander and above and in the County Forces, Assistant Chief Constable and above. Ranks below this will have buttons which are attributed to their particular force, whereas ACPO ranks have commonality across the country. A few years ago I saw a set of these in silver in a presentation box, from the early fifties, I wish I had bought them ......