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    Gunner 1

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    1. Mike McLellan wrote: "I’m sure you’ve already considered this, but the Efficiency Medal was for non-commissioned officers. That might narrow the field just a bit. I’m still hung up on that number. It certainly identifies some person, group, or thing."

      I am sorry, but your statement is not correct. The EM required that one had to initially be an other rank to obtain the medal, but thousands of former other ranks who were commissioned during WWII (including many officers with Regular Army Emergency Commissions) received the EM.  One only needs to look at supplements to the London Gazette during the late 1940s and early 1950s to find long lists of officers receiving the EM.  The list below is from the 25 June 1954 London Gazette and is just a portion of a list of officers who were awarded the EM on that date.

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    2. The article, "The Men Behind the Medal(s): as Exemplified by King George Tupou V, Philip B. Eagleton and the 2007-2013 Revision of the Tongan Award System, Including a Description of Preexisting Honors and the Modified System" by EJ Fisher, was published in the July-August 2018 issue of JOMSA pages 4-19.  A follow-up article with additional images will be published in the November-December 2019 issue of JOMSA which will be mailed to the membership in late November.

    3. T S Allen wrote: "The Victory Medal was not awarded until September 1919."

      Can you please give a reference to support this statement. I have examined the documents at The National Archives relative to the design, manufacturing and issuance of the Great War Victory Medal (WO 32/4961 and WO 32/8987) and these indicate that a specimen Victory Medal was transmitted to the War Office on 14 April 1920 and the King approved the award on 16 April 1920.  Due to numerous design problems the first Victory Medals were awarded on 25 May 1920 to the King and eight officers: Lieut. Generals Macready, Clarke, Macdonoch, Wilson, and DuCane, Major General Harrington, Lt. Col. Childs and Maj. Frith.  Please see my three articles on the WWI Victory Medal in the Journal of the Orders and Medals Research Society.

      Obviously the ribbon was available earlier.

       

    4. His papers are at the National Archives under WO 339/89342.  They are not digitized but you should be able to find a researcher who will digitally copy them for you for around £20 (depending on the number of pages). I would recommend Kevin Asplin (KevinAsplin@aol.com). I have used him for over 20 years and found that he does the copying quickly and at a very reasonable cost.  Don't use the National Archives copy service - it will cost a fortune!

    5. This has been going on for some time. In 1979 I spoke at an international symposium in Warsaw and later visited a shop where around 30 women were hand painting copies of Russian and Polish orders and regimental insignia. I was told that they were for the collector market.

    6. I cannot find a definite answer to your question but one of the qualifications for the British War Medal was that one had to leave the UK - I am quite sure that Ireland was part of the UK at that time.  The men who received the BWM for Hartlepool were fighting enemy forces - I do not believe the Irish were enemy forces. As I am not a resident of the UK I stand to be corrected.

    7. dpast32:  Just wanted to note that I never indicated that MBEs were never named - I have two unofficially-named MBEs - I indicated that no MBEs were ever officially named.  In regards to Craig's rank, I wonder if he might have held the local rank of Captain or held an acting rank for a short period in Ireland, neither of which would necessarily be gazetted in the London Gazette nor give him the possibility of retiring as an "Honourable Captain'.  He is listed in my copy of the April 1922 Army List as a Lieutenant.

    8. Three observations (you may already be aware of them):

      1. There are at least three officers with the name "G. Craig" in the November 1918 Army List

      2.  The MBE was/is issued unnamed, so that any naming would be unofficial.

      3.  There are service papers for a Lieutenant George Craig, Border Regiment at The National Archives under WO 339/104131

    9. There is a 'G. Craig, Indian Army' listed in the London Gazette of 19 April 1921 as a 'Lieutenant to be Captain' effective 30 Jan 1921, but there is no indication of an MBE so it does not look like your man.  The January 1928 Half Yearly Army List indicates that George Craig, MBE  retired as a Lieutenant.  If he actually held the acting/temporary appointment as a Captain he would usually be listed at retirement as a 'Lieutenant (rank of Captain).'

       

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