Jaybo

Hello gentlemen,

Does anyone know whether wooden frames for WW I Death Plaques are being made by any dealers? Were they commonly available for purchase after the Great War? I occasionally see them for sale with a Death Penny on E-bay. Unfortunately, I have not seen them for sale seperately. Thanks in advance for any pointers.

All the best,

Jaybo

Bonsoir Monsieur Bear,

Not that I'm an expert in that area, but yes it IS (was) a Vendean symbol...the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Even today in France, the young Catholic organization's symbol is just that ( les jeunesse francaise catholique...I believe...do a Google search). As to the Vendean revolt, I recall coming home from work one evening in 1989 and listening to a 'Vendean perspective' on the 200th anniversary of 'La Revolution' on NPR. They are still none too pleased with Paris and what 'la Republique' did to their people. Can you blame them? It truly was a lamentable period of French history in many respects. I find several analogies between 1789 and 1917 in Russia. If only they had been monarchs up to the task.....think of the bloodshed that could (would?) have been avoided. Sorry for the rambling!

Jaybo

Last one...

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

Hello Christophe,

Now that IS scary. I'm glad that I am through collecting Imperial Russian stuff!

Jaybo

Hello Jaybo,

I happened to stroll that way last Saturday and this one might interest you

Cheers,

Hendrik

Hello Hendrik,

Thanks very much for thinking of my request. A bit easier to get there from Belgium than here! Thanks.

All the best,

Jay Stone

Hi Christophe,

Thanks for the information on Project Athena. It looks as if 2008 will be a good year to return. We shall see. Photos of those orders would indeed be appreciated. I currently own an immaculate Restoration Chevalier's badge of the Order of St. Louis. I have never seen any examples of the other ancien regime orders except in books like that of Monsieur Damien. I'm still looking for a 'reasonably' priced First Emire Chevalier's badge to display opposite the St. Louis order. They have really shot up in price in only the last year or so. Presumably the same situation exists in France. Keep in touch.

All the best,

Jaybo

Hi Jaybo,

About the Mus?e de l'Arm?e... Project Athena, in its different phases will find an end in 2008-2009 (no more precise date, as far as I know).

The Charles de Gaulle historial will be opened on 18 June 2007 .

The new thematical departments, from Louis XIV to Napoleon III will open at the beginning of 2008.

And more additional spaces dedicated to Napoleon 1st, artillery, military music, military symbolism and heraldry... will be progressively opened in 2008-2009.

Back to the the Mus?e de la L?gion d'Honneur, I will certainly try to post good quality pics of these fantatstic orders .

And for the beer, no pb. With pleasure, when you want...

Cheers.

Ch.

More to come tomorrow about this Romanian order.

Don't hesitate, if you want to see a pic of an order or medal...

Cheers.

Ch.

Hello Christophe,

Wonderful photos of the inside of L'Hotel se Salm(Salm)! My wife and I LOVE Paris. It is the most beautiful city that we have visited (which we last did in 2005). For myself, the entering of La Musee d'Armee & Les Invalides for the first time was a dream come true. My wife suffered through it like a trooper for about 4 hours. The next time, I think I will go solo to that museum! Alas, when we went to visit La Musee de Legion d'honneur, it was....FERME! ZUT!!! Now I understand that Project Athena has the Napoleon wing of La Musee d'Armee also closed down. It look like 2008 might be the right time to return.

As for your most generous offer, if you are so inclined some photos of any of les ordres da l'ancien regime (Saint'Esprit, Saint-Michel or Saint Louis) would be appreciated. Of course, anything from le premier empire is always welcome as well. Perhaps we can buy you that beer in '08.

All the best,

Jaybo

Hello Bear,

Although I'm already aware of that nice site, I do thank you for your assistance.

All the best,

Jaybo

Hello Keiyh B.

Thanks for the info!

Jaybo

Mine measures 37.5mm using digital calipers so I assume it started as the 39mm version. I like the antiquated style suspension loop, which appears to me to be an intigral loop of metal hammered flat, but I don't know how they were in practice worn with the ribbons. It is my understanding that the Austrian style Trifold ribbon didn't come into being until the middle of the century?

Hello Haynau,

Thank you for the reply. That is what I was interested in knowing. Can you point me out to me some sources for Napoleonic era Austrian medal information?

All the best,

Jaybo

Hello Haynau,

I am refering to the Tyrolian 1797 medal. Thanks for any help!

Jaybo

Gentlemen,

Can anyone tell me how and why this particular medal was awarded ? What was its correct ribbon pattern? Thanks!

All the best,

Jaybo

Gentlemen,

For you Austrian orders and medals 'experten', could you please tell me what this particular medal was awarded for and what its correct ribbon was? Thank you.

Jaybo

Hello Kim,

First of all, I am NOT an expert on the genre. However, for what it is worth, I have been 'studying' Imperial Russian medals/decorations for the last several years or so. Given that, here goes. The ribbon is a Saint Anna (Anne) type. I believe that means it was awarded for civilian versus military zeal (which would have been suspended on a red & white St.Stanislaus ribbon). However, since they were not named like Brit decorations, who can ACTUALLY say minus a reliable provenance. We will really NEVER know for certain.

As for why the suspension ring goes through 'a hole' on the ribbon.......I would venture a guess that the seller did NOT have a period-type Imperial suspension device (which can now be had for about $20.00). During the later portion of the Imperial epoch, medals and decorations were suspended on metal devices LARGER than the later Soviet, cheap styles. They were NOT suspended EVER, to my limited knowledge, in the fashion so depicted in your photo.

Happy collecting!

Jaybo

Hello Bear,

Thanks for that most helpful link. That seems to answer my question.

Happy New Year,

Jaybo

Hello to Chuck/George/Doc,

Thanks for the replies and welcome. I have posted rarely in the past but often visit. If your anything like me by having several interests in this hobby, this site is wonderful.

Gentlemen, I have both the Durov and Prince Romanov books and am familiar with the info that you have so kindly posted. However, my question remains as to the so-called 'cavalier' version in bronze. My suspicion is that it is a non-military award given the bronze metal and St. Vladimir ribbon. However, it 'is said' to have been awarded to cavalrymen which would obviously infer it was a military award. But was that actually the case? Any Russki 'experten' out there?

All the best,

Jay

Jaybo

Is it the criteria for the awards you are looking for ?

Nick

Hello Nick,

Quite right. I know about its physical characteristics (smaller than the 28mm silver version, being approx. 22mm, bronze with St. Vladimir ribbon). What I want to know is whether the 'cavalier' version of this medal was awarded to actual CAVALRY personnel (i.e.-hussars, cossacks, etc.) who saw combat in the 1812 campaign? Or was it awarded to cilvilians with a deceptive moniker?

Thanks for your response.

Jaybo

USA

Happy New Year to all,

Can anyone kindly tell me the actual difference (other than size, metal type and ribbon style) between the larger, silver combattant's Russian War of 1812 and the smaller, bronze 'cavalier' version of the same? Was it strictly involving what branch of the army that you belonged to or what? Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

Jaybo

Happy New Year to all forumites out there around the globe!

Can anyone kindly inform me the difference (besides size, metal and ribbon style) between the larger, silver combattant's Russian Patriotic War of 1812 medal and the smaller, bronze 'cavalier' version of same? Was it strictly a matter of the latter going to members of the cavalry versus the infantry, artillery,etc.? Or was it not even a military award at all (like the larger bronze versions going to civilians)? Thanks for your help!

Jaybo