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This is not a Mayer, nor is it a Otto Schickle. A raptor? Maybe a variation of a raptor. I have not seen this spange before, but it does hold many features of a raptor fake. I'll leave this one alone for the time being because I am at a loss as to it's origin.

Robert

Not sure either, no known maker (or copy)

Gut feeling is not good.......

I would pass on this one.

best regards,

Ben

Bryan, there are more then 1 version, and the difference is not only in th pin.

The cross posted by George Stimson is completely different to the cross you show, and there are also 2 Deschler pin variations that are totally different.

By now I know 4 or 5 variations.

I do agree the one you show here is the most common, but it's not the only type you can find.

Best regards,

Ben

mark 20 on the rear of the needle

Ciao

This cross may consist of sme authentic parts, but the core is fake.

So the cross is no good.

Regards,

Ben

Ben -

An RK as a centrepiece?!... I WISH!!

I have resigned myself to the fact that I will never manage to get one of those unless I win the lottery (which I don't waste my money on anyway, so winning may be difficult!)

Regards - Danny

When I do eventually get them into a display I will be taking Chris's advice and use a more fitting centre-piece.

Regards - Danny

Well, that must be a KC then I guess :-)

Nice crosses Danny!!

Regards,

Ben

Hi Douglas,

you may very well be right.

I will check it out when I'm home again.

One sidenote: not all Juncker frames have the cross-hatching around the swas.

I was't aware W&L used this pin and catch though, never to late to learn.

Best regards,

Ben

Here I am......Ben-to answer your question:my L/14 has got a non magnetic core! and you are right,I don't think we get more than half a dozen L/14s together.I think there are two more at the SDA forum.....

Micha

Thank you Micha!!

I will check out the SDA as soon as we are back from vacation, otherwise I will have to change my password again......

I know one in another collection, Souval frame, non-magnetic core......

Regards,

Ben

Bill, Dave, I know that thread, I did post mine, but so far that is the only one without a Souval frame.

That's why I asked fellow collector's to post their L/14's, and it would be interesting to know if they are magnetic or not.

The one I posted is in my collection, but all I can find are L/14 ek's with a Souval frame.

There must be more around then this handfull I guess...???

Regards,

Ben

To all who have an L/14 screwback in their collection, please be so kind to post clear pics of the front, reverse, and mm.

I would also be very interested to hear if it is a magnetic or non-magnetic piece.

They are not so common, but about all L/14's I have seen so far have a Souval-frame, and I would like to know if that is the only version of the L/14 that is around.

Thanks in advance,

Ben

I have to get one of those "slender pin" types!

Well, I'd trade a near mint cased slender pin (or a vaulted ne in correct case) for your stippled core anyday :-)

It's the onle variation I don't have (yet)

regards,

Ben

Nice original, they come as a thick and thin version.

regards,

Ben

It is remarkable we don`t know who the producer is. They all have the same die flaw so there was just one producer I think.

Deschler is one company that made round 3 ek's, although I haven't seen them in this thread.

Somewhere in this forum there is a picture of a first class posted, that is marked " 22" on the pin.

It's the most common round 3 ek1, but it was the first one I saw with a mm.

IMO most ek2 with this round 3 come from the same maker.

I will post some pics when I am back from my vacation.

Regards,

Ben

ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW HELLO!-Still no HELP

Wideness of the flange + reverse hardware, IMO this is an unmarked Juncker.

Will make a comparrisson when I'm home from vacation, I guess another 2 weeks of waiting won't hurt...

:-)

regards,

Ben

i agree with this. the sharpness of details is not great and the beading is poorly defined in places and uneven in size particularly on the upper arm, where it is more noticable. im sure that this would not be the level of workmanship tolerated from third reich craftsmen.

also i cannot understand what the purpose of this new construction would have been. if the maker had moved away from the standard approved method, surely this would be in response to some kind of problem, such as shortage of materials? if that were the case, it would involve new machinery pats for construction and lets not forget that the one piece would use more material overall.

joel

Joel, lack of quality is not uncommon.

Sometimes it almost scares you when you put crosses under magnification.

Don't forget it was no jewellers work, but mass production (more or less)

Rejecting crosses because of " lack of quality" means higher costs and lower profit.

One piece crosses do exsist, they are not late-war, but from the early years.

(Like the one-piece, convex schinkels)

And another thing, they come as magnetic and unmagnetic as well.

The main problem I have with the cross that is shown by Martin, is the pin.

So far I have only seen it on blatant fakes (ww1 & 2)

Regards,

Ben

Hello

What about this one? Unmarked, clearly Souval frame but the core looks pretty similar to yours. It came in an LDO halbetui case. Any thoughts or comments.

Hi David,

core is not the same, yours has the typical Souval-3 in the date

Regards,

Ben

Nice K&Q set Eric!!

regards,

Ben

Sure, here it is

Hi,

this is my personal experience, indeed, not uncontradicted .

This differentiation is valid only for Souval.

Please, show me period pieces with L/58 (till may 1945).

I learn with pleasure something new.

If you can persuade me, I correct my opinion.

Regards

Uwe

Hi Uwe,

I see you already found the thread on the WAF.

I can't prove that the ek is a period piece, but I am convinced that it is good.

It's the second one in this style I have seen so far.

A good friend of mine has got an L/58 ek2, according to your theory that should be post-war as well then.

I am always willing to learn as well, but I am convinced the ek is a nice and original (period) piece.

Best regards,

Ben

Hi,

please realize, it is

L 58

and not L/58! L/58 is, in my opinion, always post WW II.

Regards

Uwe

Hi Uwe,

What is your conclusion based on, if I may ask??

Thanks,

Ben

Interestingly. This fake from the Baltic country?

Sergey

It is presumed to originate in Latvia....

double post

I really don't believe in these crosses.

When you are under siege I think you habve more important things to do then wasting time on propaganda crosses.

The pin and catch on the ek1 looks familiar, I think I have seen it on Souval ek's before......

(and we all know they didn't stop producing after 1945)

Best regards,

Ben

reverse

here's my L/14, no Souval frame .

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