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Hello Brendan,

I will be able to get it translated for you but since I am off from work for two weeks I might not be able to get it done before then. I will post the translation when I have it. Take care,

Bryan

Hi Bryan

Thanks for that, there is no rush. I just want to know what it is I have

Brendan

I'll put my request onto this thread. I have recently aquired a couple of NK awards, amongst them was this document. i don't believe it related to the awards I have though. Can someone please translate it so I know what the document is for?

Many thanks

Brendan

Hello : What do you think...

Miguel

Looks like someone didn't do their homework before they faked it. This 2nd class number range would make it a Border Reverse for a start. Hard to tell anything to much from these scans, they need to be closer of the front, clock tower etc etc. All up I suggest it is a fake going by these photos. Unless you can get better scans for study, I'd steer clear.

Brendan

I would take the Glory with the award Booklet. For a start you have a name which makes it readily available for immediate research with Nota Bene. Any Glories with genuine award booklets are worth their weight in gold for the fact they have that identification. Having over a hundred Glories in my collection there are at least a dozen with booklets that have made research easier and quicker.

Brendan

Thank you Miguel -

Its a very nice city for certian. There are so many scars from the war and the 1956 Revolution still around.

Does anyone know what type this is - early, mid, late???

It's a variation 1 with seperately soldered ring, 1940s-50s.

Brendan

Brendan,

Are you sure that it is not simply rust (I know, a bit less glamorous that the blood of your ennemy spilt all over your awards)?

Marc

I thought that first as well but on close inspection of the steel suspensions they are clear of any rust. Anyway it's likely he cut himself shaving!

Brendan

The ribbons pictured are original to the medals. The awardee was not wounded in action so the blood stains on the ribbon are not from him. I believe it to be blood from another person during close combat action.

Brendan

and the award card and citations.............

Documents pertaining to Kurban Ishmatov

1. Award card Order booklet 3808521.

Last name: Ishmatov

2. Name and Patrionymic: Kurban

3. Rank: Guards Private

4. Sex:

5. Birthyear: 1912

6. Birthplace:

7. Party Membership: n/a

8. Education:

9. Nationality: Uzbek

10. Service in the Red Army:

11. Place of service and duty position at time of awarding: Gunner, 9 Artillery Regiment, 2836(?)

12. Place of service and duty position at the current time: Uzbek SSR, Fergana Oblast

13. Home of Record: Kagonavichskii Region, Bachevitskii Selsovet

14. Awards

Award Serial Number Awarder

Bravery Medal 24.2.45, 3 Belorussian Front

2. Award Citation

Secret

Order 118/N of the 858 Belostok Red Banner Rifle Regiment, 233 Gomel Red Banner Order of Suvorov Rifle Division, 3 Belorussian Front

1 April 1945 Active Duty

On behalf of the Praesidium of the Supreme Soviet USSR, I award the Bravery Medal to:

1. Machinegunner, 1 Machinegun Company, Private Kurban Ishmatov who on 25.3.45 during the destruction of the enemy pocket near the Frisch Hof Bay, continuously and in a timely manner supplied his crew with ammunition under enemy fire and also killed three Germans with his personal weapon, thus enabling the successful mission accomplishment in purging the Bay area of Germans.

Born 1908, Uzbek, non-party member, inducted 1.3.43 by Kokand RMC, Kokand Oblast.

Home of Record: Kokand Oblast, Kokand Region, Ismanov Collective Farm

Signed Commander, 858 Rifle Regiment, Colonel Rudenko

3. Award Citation

Secret

Order 130/N of the 858 Belostok Red Banner Order of Alexander Nevsky Rifle Regiment, 233 Gomel Red Banner Order of Suvorov Rifle Division

15 June 1945 Active Duty

On behalf of the Praesidium of the Supreme Soviet USSR, I award the Bravery Medal to:

16. Machinegunner, 2 Machinegun Company, Private Kurban Ishmatov who from 24 to 30.4.45 while destroying the enemy pocket south east of Berlin and working under enemy fire, low-crawled to continuously and regularly supply the machinegun belts during the destruction of enemy firing positions, thus enabling the successful mission accomplishment in clearing the area of the enemy.

Born 1908, Uzbek, non-party member, inducted 1.3.43 by Kokand RMC, Kokand Oblast.

Home of Record: Kokand Oblast, Kokand Region, Ismanov Collective Farm

Signed Commander, 858 Rifle Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Belov

4. Award Cards

Three additional award card affirm the awarding of the above two medals. Another award card mentions an Order of Glory III Class, however it is unclear whether he received it ? reverse, undated, written notation states there is no record of awarding, however front stamp dated 19.8.96 indicates he was awarded one. From the award card translated at #1 above, from the lack of a serial number, it is also impossible to tell whether this duplicates information on his two known Bravery Medals, or whether he was awarded yet another, possibly unnumbered one.

One of my most favorite Researched Bravery groups.

Enjoy

Brendan

Documents pertaining to Glory III #244.963

1. Award card

Order booklet 420514

1. Last name: Korchuganov

2. Name and Patrionymic: Pavel Semenovich

3. Rank: Private

4. Sex: Male

5. Birthyear: 1900

6. Birthplace: Nemirov Oblast, Tonanskii Region

7. Party Membership: n/a

8. Education: elementary

9. Nationality: Russian

10. Service in the Red Army: 1919-1923 and 1941-1945

11. Place of service and duty position at time of awarding: 149 Guards Rifle Regiment, 49 Guards Rifle Division - Rifleman

12. Place of service and duty position at the current time: Akmolinskaya Oblast, Stalin Region, Alekseev Forestry Reserve

13. Home of Record: Kazakh SSR, Akmolinskaya Oblast, Stalin Region, Alekseev Forestry Reserve

14. Awards

Award Serial Number Awarder

Glory III 244.963 49 Guards Rifle Division dated 2.1.45

Victory over Germany Medal Edict dated 9.5.45

Capture of Budapest Medal Edict dated 9.6.45

Verified 15 August 1947

2. Award Citation

Award Sheet

1. Last name, name, and patrionymic: Korchuganov, Pavel Semenovich

2. Rank: Guards Private

3. Duty position: Rifleman - 4 Company, 2 Battalion, 149 Guards Rifle Regiment, 49 Guards Kherson Red Banner Order of Suvorov Rifle Division

Application for the Order of Glory III Class

4. Birthyear: 1898

5. Nationality: Russian

6. Time in the Red Army: since 23 September 1941

7. Party membership: n/a

8. Participation in combat: since 15 October 1941

9. Wounds or contusions: thrice 15.11.41, 10.1.42, and 5.6.43 - still in unit

10. Earlier Awards: n/a

11. Inducted by: Stalin Regional Military Commissariat, Akmolinskaya Oblast

12. Home of record: Akmolinskaya Oblast, Stalin Region, Alekseev Forest Reserve - wife: Elizaveta Ivanovna Korchuganova

Short description of personal combat feat or service

Comrade Korchuganov was the first of his platoon to rush into an enemy trench line in fighting for the village of Chovanka (Hungary) on 25 December 1944 and in close combat killed seven enemy soldiers and captured two.

Additionally on this day while repelling an enemy counterattack, Comrade Korchuganov killed four enemy soldiers with his assigned weapon.

Signed Commander, 149 Guards Rifle Regiment, Guards Colonel Tyurin on 31 December 1944

Awarded the Order of Glory III Class by Order 01-N of the 49 Guards Rifle Division dated 2 JAN 45.

Another of my Glory Groups for fighting in Hungary.

Enjoy!

Brendan

Miguel,

I was looking on ebay and I happened to find the page for the auction of this group. The seller only sells fakes. He has been putting together groups of rare, low numbered medals for quite a while now. He has been banned from ebay a number of times because of complaints about his items, but every time he just makes a new account and continues selling. No matter what his account name is though, he is still very easy to recognize. All of his auctions have the same style of photographs, text formatting, and item descriptions, and he is based out of Australia. Look out for this guy in the future, and stay away!

-Alex

By the way I'm out of Australia It's not me and I sometimes sell on e and my items have same paragraphs and style due to easy formatting.

Brendan

What you means is that it?s uncertain that the precedence order (wrong as you say), match exactly the booklet inscription...?

I understand that what you say it?s improbably that the guy won his awards in the same precedence order they shows in the booklet?

Well I have never think about the prceedence of the military merit and the bravery...it seem reasonable that bravery cames before...

If you have time I would have a precedence list of USSR awards...By the way I was thinking that in campaign medals and others similar...the precedence is no existent or as the medals were awarded...it?isn?t??

Thanks I?m return to the school with all this stuff...

regards

Miguel

Hi Miguel

first off the award booklet entries are incorrect, in other words fake.

Secondly the precedence of the award bar is wrong and yes there is a documented precedence of how soviets awards are mounted.

Thirdly it is unlikely, since the award entries are fake, that this group belonged to the same person and only research will tell you that.

Fourthly the awards themselves appear genuine but as always it's hard to tell without definitive scans or photos.

The award book I scanned for you is from a genuine group with genuine entries. There is a whole topic on award booklets that can blow your mind for the person who is not to experienced in such things.

hope this helps.

Brendan

Outstanding photographs! Thanks for the insight into a Mongolian museum.

Brendan

And the award entry page........

Here is a genuine booklet with Glory 3 and Bravery Medal for comparison. First inside cover...

Brendan

Yes, slapped together group with corresponding numbers added into the book (poorly I migh add). It is highly unlikely that they belong to the same person.

Brendan

Thankyou all

I will post another of my favourite researched Glories or Bravery Medals as I get time.

Brendan

As in any artillery battery when on fire missions it is likely he was also doing all this while he himself was underfire from counter battery artillery fire which makes feats such as these all the more remarkable.

I have a few researched Glories where communications soldiers were given the award because they repaired x ammount of phone lines and kept the comms open etc etc. To most, these citations are not flashy and appear 'un attractive' to those citations that destroy tanks, kill the enemy etc. To me these are just as impressive considering all these sorts of bravery acts were done under fire or under difficult conditions where the loss of your life was reasonable to expect.

Nice solid group! The 1945 Warsaw document is great, these are few and far between. Also nice 1943 Bravery Medal awarded during the height of the fighting that year. Obviously a well travelled veteran who made it home.

Brendan

Thankyou gentlemen, yes an unusual and likely interesting story.

I have considered researching the other awards but like most of my collection I get side tracked on having research completed on the actual items I posess. As a matter of fact after my new lot of research comes in I actually decided to research the rest of the awards for this one and another, even though I haven't got the actual awards, but there is a need to complete the full story.

Brendan

Index Card

Hi all

being a new member here I just want to say what a great place to gather knowledge

I just would like to share one of my special pieces. Collecting Orders of Glory for sometime now I have quite a few reserached and quite a few more not, but all good things come to those that wait...I hope

This piece was interesting because the recipient had engraved his name onto the back of the award, this in itself required the piece to be researched and the story revealed. It turned out that it was awarded to an Armenian from Georgia for actions in Lithuania.

Enjoy!

Brendan

Order Of Glory III Class # 160397

Name: Aramais Pogosyan

Military Rank: Senior Sergeant

"During the forced crossing of the Neman river, in region of Alitus city of Lithuania, from 14.07.44 to 15.07.44, comrade Pogosyan showed himself as a brave resourceful commander. He provided efficient guidance in carrying equipment ? 45mm cannon and crew. During the capture of Alitus, destroyed German infantry by direct fire.

On 19.07.44 while situated in defense in the region of height 169,1 1km westward of Alitus, during the counter attack, put two German tanks out of action."

Very nice set with interesting research!

Brendan

Yes, a nice set. I have only ever seen one other similar set which was actually being worn by an Arctic Convoy veteran.