Mike Dwyer

Not sure of the name of the song, but when you do find out it should be here:

http://zc.com.ru/music/third-reich/

Wow! Thanks for that link!!! Being a march music geek, I'm in loovvvve!

I believe I told this story somewhere before a long time ago, but here it is again.............

I don't know anything about imperial navy headgear, so I could be way off here, but this is my only encounter of some type of officer's cap (I don't know what kind). I lived for a year with my elder brother and his wife in West Berlin, Germany from August 1964 to August 1965. My brother was a US Army lieutenant stationed there. The last couple of weeks I was there we did a lot of touring of the city. We went somewhere on the edge of the Grunewald and there was a rather large brick tower that had a huge statue of Kaiser Wilhelm I in it. We walked up the stairs to the observation platform at the top and there was an elderly man there that appeared to be a caretaker. He looked to be in his 70's or 80's and he was wearing civilian clothes along with some type of imperial navy officer's cap. I just remember the reichs cockade surrounded by a wreath with the imperial crown over the top of it. The cap was in decent shape, but was about as old as the man was.

Unfortunately I don't recall all the details, but when I first moved to the county I live in here in Florida there was an 80-something year old deputy who worked as a court bailiff who was suppossedly the oldest deputy sheriff in Florida. I don't recall how long he had served.

Well, I would need Regimentsnummer "2" bacause it is missing. Anyone could tell me which Regiment used the first (yellow) shoulderboard ?

Regards,

ML.

There were many regiments that used yellow, I don't think there's any way to identify which particular one this belonged to without a number or cypher on the shoulderboard. I believe the 3. Garde-Regt. zu Fu? worn plain yellow shoulderboards with no number or cypher, but I could be mistaken.

No, I didn't get that e-mail, at least not yet. If I do, I'll let you know.

Some very beautiful medal bars there!

Interior of the Museum.

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

In post # 6, isn't that first painting on the left General of the Army Dwight Eisenhower, later US president?

Mike,

What you found is one of the dozens of fraternal organizations that sprang up in the US in the late 19th and early 20th Century. It is NOT Masonic in the sense that it is part of Freemasonry.

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FireMedals

FireMedals,

Thank you very much for your reply. It certainly makes sense to me.

According to the International Commission on Orders of Chivalry http://www.icocregister.org/list2004.htm the Order of Pedro I and the Order of the Rose are house orders of the imperial house of Brazil. This means the head of the house (which is currently in dispute between two claimants) can still award these orders if they so wish. Some royal families only award house orders to family members today, others still give them out to other people in certain circumstances.

The royal house of Portugal still has two house orders, Saint Isabel and Immaculate Conception of Vila Vicosa, and one "chivalric institution" Saint Michael of the Wing.

And do you know for what kind of merit and what kind of grade they had been awarded this order???

Any pics would be nice too to see

Kind regards,

Jacky

I'm not sure if I can find any pics. I believe the grade was commander, but I'm not exactly sure. They wear the medal around their neck and have a beautiful breast star too.

Nice medals,

The order of our lady of mercy is, correct me if I'm wrong, now a merely kind of family order????

Kind of order of st Joachim.......???

Kind regards,

Jacky

Jacky,

The Order of Villa Vicosa is considered a house order of the royal house of Portugal. The current head of the house, HRH Dom Duarte, Duque de Bragan?a still awards this order. I have three friends here in the USA who have received this order from Dom Duarte.

Probably ,Architects.Very unlikely to be Masonic.

Alan S

Alan,

Excuse my ignorance, but do you mean some type of fraternal organization called Architects?

I can't see a professional architects organization using the Holy Bible on their badge, which is why I'm asking.

Wow! Quite a lot of work, but it sounds to me like you've quite likely found your man.

This item is being offered for sale on eBay. Any idea what the FPA means?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Yellow-Gold-En...1QQcmdZViewItem

Very nice, Chris. I always try to read the entire list, sometimes it's very enlightening. I read another article about Scottish-born retired milkman George Bell received an OBE for being a great milkman for 34 years!

I saw another article that mentioned actor Robbie Coltrane receiving an award, but I couldn't seem to find his name on the list.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=11...p;id=1930682006

Dave,

I hadn't said anything since it's been over 16 years since I left the Army, but isn't his US and crossed rifles canted at the wrong angle? If I recall correctly the corner of the U should be lower than the corner of the S and the right rifle butt should be lower than the left rifle butt.

Beautiful! What a wonderful piece.

God bless them all and keep them safe!

Wow! Not only a photo of him with Johann Albrecht Herzog zu Mecklenburg, but the card is signed by him too! What a great "Christmas gift" for you, Otto!

and now it would seem that Hindenburg has gotten into the act.

Uh, Mike, that's not Hindenburg, that's Otto von Bismarck.

Very interesting!!!

But, I'm still glad I have the cards. I bought them for the photos on the front, not the messages on the back.

Wow, Glenn, thanks a lot! I really appreciate all of the bits and pieces that have been located on von Frobel.

Mike,

The pre war insignia took the form of the epaulette bridles which in the case of z.D. officers had three stripes in the state colour and those for a.D. types, a ziz-zag pattern. With the abolition of the epaulette for the new 1915 "Friedensuniform", the difference was in the shoulder boards. A couple of points: z.D. officers in established posts such as Bezirkskommandeure, Bezirksoffiziere etc wore the normal "active" insignia. The 1915 special z.D and a.D. boards were only worn on the "Friedensuniform".

Here are the 1915 pattern from "Deutschlands Armee in feldgrauer Kriegs-und Friedens-Uniform".

Regards

Glenn

Thanks, Glenn! This is the color plate I believe my high school friend had, or at least one very much like it.

Hallo Mike, is that what you meant?

Reichswehr Uniformen, Brockhaus 1923

Abzeichen f?r Verabschiedete mit Erlaubnis zum tragen der Uniform (Boards for retired officers with permission to wear the Uniform)

Thanks, Naxos, for your reply. Actually the ones I was thinking about are the ones Glenn J posted in post # 11 just after yours.

In the Imperial period, there were physical differences in the rank insignia of aD and zD officers, but nothing to distinguish a "char." type.

Rick,

I'd love to see a photo of what those differences were. When I was in high school I had a friend who's father had "liberated" a rather extensive set of color sheets during WW2 that were about 8 x 13 inches. The first 15 or 20 had color drawings of officers in the new field grey parade dress uniforms (is that the friedensrock??), then there were pages and pages that showed all of the details of each regiment's particular colors trim, shoulder straps, etc. and on the officer's shoulder straps I seem to recall that aD officers had a rather broad black stripe going through their braid and zD had even more black in their shoulder straps. Again, I'm relying on memory from 39 years ago, but I seem to recall the generals aD had black stripes mixed in their silver middle stripe of their shoulder strap braid and zD had a solid black stripe that replaced the silver stripe in the braid.