Chip

That's a nice assortment Kornel.

Chip

That's a huge list! I had no idea there were so much manufacturers of those badabing cups ...

Karel,

There are also extensive lists for enameled messkits, aluminum cups and aluminum messkits.

Chip

Chris,

I.R.114 would have had this double green/white underlay for the M15 Feldachselstück and for the Friedensrock & Kleiner Rock. The double piping came in with the uniform change in September 1915 and continued through the war.

Chip

One of my photos.

Thanks all. I can't figure out how I missed him in the Ehren-Rangliste. I must have had my glasses off! Appreciate the help.

Chip

The list of makers I posted is, of course, incomplete and new names are being added periodically.

I think a better description for "hollow bottom" would be "recessed bottom". These were normally multi-piece constructions where the bottom of the cup was soldered/welded to the body. My example is a 1918 Lamprecht cup in a very dark charcoal gray enamel.

Chip

A friend has a Saxon Husar Attila (H.R.18) coming that has a tailor's label showing it was the property of one Graf von Schaffgotsch. I don't find him in the Ehren=Rangliste and I don't have any Saxon Rang-Liste. Could someone fill me in on any details about this officer that might be available?

Thanks,

Chip

Here is a list of manufacturers of enameled cups. The list includes maker stamps and the manufacture dates that have been observed. I lifted this list off the German WWI website Feldgrau. I also contributed to it.

-A. LAMPRECHT 16, 17 and 17 with recessed bottom, 18 with recessed bottom
-AMBOS 16, 17 (big numbers) and 17 (small numbers)
-BECHER 16
-B & F 16, 17
-BING 16, 17 and 17 with recessed bottom, 18 and 18 with recessed bottom
-E d.L. 16
-E.H. 18
-E. L. S. 17 exists with small and big markings
-E. S. B. 17
-ESCHEBACH RADEBERG 1916 and 1917
-FCB FULDA 16, 17 and 18
-GERMANIA 17 and 18
-G.M.u.Cie 18
-G. R. & C° 16,17 and 18
-Hecker & S 16, 17, 18
-Hiby 16 and 18
-Ludwig Hutzler Beierfeld 17
-KLötzer Nachf. Lauter 17, 18
-Klötzer & Jache(?)
-M. Böhme 17
-M. & S. 16
-Neust. Em. W. 16 and 17
-R. LOUIS SCHEICHAUER GRIVOR(?)
-S.& E. St.L. 16, 17, 18 (with crossed oriental sabers) for maker: "Stahl und Eisen St.Leon" (Baden-Württemberg).
-SFD 16
-SILESIA 16, 17 and 18
-S.M.W. 16
-ULLRICH 16,18
-WUPPERMAN 16, 17 and 18

At first glance, I thought maybe Austrian, but the markings are something like Dutch or Scandinavian. Certainly not German.

Chip

"... what I believe to be an Offizier-Stellvertreter in feldgrau with a metal number 3 on shoulder strap;"

This is not an Offizierstellvertreter. They had lace on all edges of the strap except the bottom edge. This strap with the metal number and bomb is more typical of early postwar insignia. Here is a similar model simplified shoulder strap with the Offizierstellvertreter Tresse.

Chip

But his is a pickelhaube cover thread... So I still WIN!

Somewhere, I have a photo of a cover in the 800 number series, so don't count your chickens yet!

An Unteroffizier from 1.Thüringisches Feld-Artillerie-Regiment Nr.19; feldgrau shoulder strap shows bomb and number. Anyone able to read the name?

I haven't read all of the posts yet, but in case someone hasn't already taken a stab at it, I think the name is Kurt Felzer and he is from the 2.Sächsisches Fußartillerie Rgt. Nr. 19. Notice the Saxon shaped shoulder straps.

Chip

LMK 1203

Very nice items! I have a few Luger holsters, but have never owned anything but a Reichsrevolver. Would love a nice Luger.

I'm curious about your identification of the Bavarian officer's boards. What do you base that on? What color is the underlay? I would have thought that a Train unit would have Arabic numbers and a blue underlay.

Chip

I've been collecting shoulder insignia since 1962 or so and my ideas about this have changed over the years. When I was starting out and building my collection, I would gladly have broken up a pair of straps to get an example that I was needing. In later years, I came to regret that to some extent, both from a collecting aspect and from a historical one. Today, I would be against breaking up a pair.

Pairs take up much more room to display, so even though I have many pairs, I only display singles in my frames. The other halves sit in storage boxes.

Another factor is that during the war, the shoulder straps that were collected for intelligence and for the most part, the soldier souvenir straps, were taken as singles. The point being, that the vast majority of shoulder straps that were saved after the war (outside of Germany) were singles.

Chip

This may be true, but as far as I know, there has been nothing discovered that proves whether it was a wartime or a postwar insignia. The mountain troops museum near Sonthofen has it labeled as a wartime piece, but once again, there is no proof of that.

Chip

The "Edelweiss" on the cap is a postwar production with the crown inside, I think especially for the ILR.

Chris,

I think the one on the right could be called a simplified (circa 1915) M1907. The collar is the same color as the tunic (but it can't be a Bavarian Bluse!), you can't see if it has chest buttons or not, and the cuff conforms to either the Bluse or the simplified M07. So, to my mind, it has to be the simplified Waffenrock.

Chip

Nice

Yeah, nice big white target! He would have to stay where the snow was, otherwise he would stick out like a sore thumb!

Chris,

Here are examples of the second pattern Bavarian Wappenknöpfen. At the top are a pair of Sergeant disks, then a Gefreiter pair and finally two examples from the Friedensrock.

Chip

The pair of collar disks are nice. Must be from the transitional period, before the Bluse was introduced for the Bavarians. Their new design disk came out in March of 1916. These appear to be painted steel or Kriegsmetall, but with the earlier pattern Löwe. I would expect to see this pattern on the simplified Waffenröcke.

Chip

I think Behrends is a pretty common north German name. Plenty of them in Hannover and Ostfriesland. That paper tag does not look like a wartime label. Most imperial era private purchase caps that had manufacturer marks had them imprinted on the lining or embossed into the sweatband.

Chip

Eric,

The 14th was for sure, but how many regiments would have had fortress MG units? I can only imagine that the regiments that were garrisoned in or near towns that had fortresses would have provided these companies.But would every regiment have a need for such a company?

Chip

You can delete your own posts for a period after you post them. Then the opportunity goes away. Down in the bottom right hand corner there is a faint gray "Delete" next to the "MultiQuote" box.

Chip

The shield reads: (in Gothic) Schildeposten.

I don't know what A.B.V.19 stands for...

It looks like it says "Gehilfsposten", which seems to make sense with the medic in the picture. But perhaps not.....

The construction of the boards is typical of private purchase pieces. I am a bit surprised that there is no backing material. Normally, the backing is in the same color as the tunic. As a shoulder strap collector, I can tell you that this is not unusual and I have seen lots of prewar private purchase boards that are poorly finished on the back side. They are not removable, so the thought is that no one would ever see the reverse. I have a few like this in my collection, though I prefer issue pieces.

Your navy items are excellent! I collect wartime navy items, myself as well as navy insignia and sleeve ratings.

Chip