Chip

Eric,

You're right, that's not a Salzbeutel, but still very cool and another thing to add to my needs list. Damn!

Is that scarf wool or cotton? I have a Halstuch marked to IR92, so I think that pouch needs to come my way.

Chip

I prefer to think that this particular pair is from the Prussian Jäger Batl. Nr.3. (before they became storm troops, of course.)

Chip

For the Bluse, enlisted Prussian Radfahrertruppen wore a graugrün Jäger type strap with hellgrün piping and the unit number in red. Bavarian Radfahrer units wore a hellgrün strap with a yellow script "R", some having a yellow Roman numeral beneath. A Württemberg decree from March 19, 1917 proscribed a Prussian type Jäger strap, but with a red "R" and a red arabic company number beneath it.

Here is one of the Prussian types from the Res.Radfahrer-Komp.Nr.78. Any guesses to identify the other one (201)?

Chip

Well, that is an interesting question. I say that because I am wondering how you tell the difference between a Jäger Bn. Nr. 3 and a 3.Jäger Regt. officer's boards. I suppose if you were lucky enough to find a Bavarian officer's pair, you could definitely say it was from the regiment, but a pair with Prussian state "darts" is a different matter.

A "bright" pair of Jäger 3 officer's boards sold on Ebay just a week or two ago.

I have a pair of Leutnant boards and what I believe is the board of the unit commander, Ralf von Rango.

Chip

Well, as said, I suppose they could be just crappy originals and they were added when the collar was altered.

Chip

Prussians kept graugrün throughout the war. Only the Bavarians had feldgrau for Jäger. So what is the color of the Grundtuch?

Chip

Maybe Regal Uniforma Collector knows where some of these units were posted. I would love to know where "299" was operating. I have cause to believe it was somewhere along the A-H front.

I can't give you an order of battle for this regiment, but I can tell you that it was the Dubnenski Regiment, formed from the 151.Inf.Rgt. and part of the 75th Division and was raised in Kartus-Beresa.This information dates from the beginning of 1917.

Chip

Dave,

I don't believe that they had such abbreviations on their straps. At least they are not listed in the Austrian handbook on the wartime Russian army. All I see with their own distinctions are Finnish, Siberian, Turkistan and Kaukas regiments. No Georgian or Armenian rifle regiments are even listed.

Chip

If it is feldgrau, it has to be a Bavarian Jäger. What color is the body, feldgrau or graugrün?

Chip

Eric,

There is a very slight possibility that they might be just crappy private purchase examples, but they don't belong on an issue Bluse anyway. A Bluse from a non-Bavarian unit would nearly always have the shoulder straps whip stitched on to the shoulder, not into the shoulder seam. I would take these off, sew the holes back up and then add proper examples. If you want to go infantry, you would be looking for a pair from IR.78, 73, 74, 79,164, 77, 92 or FAR 26, 62, 10, 46. Of course, there are many other possibilities. If you need some help, let me know.

Chip

Yes ................ a FK tunic, as I recall. Had antlers over the collar tabs.

Robin,

Yes, that's the one. I have a picture I took of it somewhere. The officer went on to serve in a Freikorps unit.

Eric,

" Meine Lieben!

Herzlichen Grüßen aus dem Feindesland!

Euer (name?)"

Chip

I got a nice 1913 dated one (checkered grips) years ago. Unfortunately, there was no unit mark, but for $75 I couldn't pass it up.

Wow! Now that is cool! I have only seen one officer's version in person. It was on a tunic in the Wehrgeschichtliches Museum in Rastatt.

Chip

Here's the other one from the 2.Jäger Bataillon. This series of cards has every pre-war Bavarian unit represented. I have yet to see one from a strictly wartime unit. I've also attached a couple more from this battalion.

Still making medical instruments today under the name Aesculap.

Nooooooo! All Wrong.

Regards,

Chip

Chip,

one question is 1. Garde-Maschinen-Gewehr-Abteilung maybe also possible!????

Thanks and best regards,

Jens

Jens,

This tunic has a standing collar. Only cavalry regiments had them.

Chip

That patch that Winkler is offering is laughable. What a sad-sack looking skull!

Andreas,

If your tunic has no markings, then it is a private purchase piece and it makes sense that the shoulder boards were sewn into the shoulder seam, as this is normal for custom made tunics. An issued one would not have the straps attached this way. The collar is as it should be for a M08 dragoon Waffenrock.

Chip

Charles,

Yes, they were, though it is seldom seen in period photos. They were ordered to be removed from the field uniform shortly after the war began. I have seen several of them dated 1913.

Chip

If it is an issued piece, it should have some markings inside. What does the interior look like?

I agree with the identification. There really isn't anything else it can be with that collar.

The regimental cypher would look like the one on this prewar type strap. What you would be looking for is this crown and cypher in red on a field gray shoulder strap with red piping and tongue on the bottom (depending on when the tunic was manufactured). These would be quite rare (especially a pair) and would cost approximately $500-$600, if you could find them.

Chip

The only photo that I readily recall is in the book, "Lancers and Dragoons", by R.J. Marrion. It shows a group of Bavarian Chevaulegers, some of which are wearing the old dark blue overcoat. The straps appear to be a color other than dark blue, but they are cavalry and wore nothing on their colored boards in the way of numbers or insignia. I suspect cavalry units kept their tunic straps on these coats.

Chip

Chris,

I thought the army wore feldgrau after the war. and these appear to be too large for postwar straps. If they are a time capsule, then I would suspect that they are imperial as is everything else in the lot.

Chip

This Troddel was only worn by Unteroffiziere and Sergeanten.

I think the strap was wound around the neck of the bayonet frog twice and then the fringed end was slipped through the loop formed at the end of the strap.

Chip