MR T

Thank you for all the feedback.

Its part of a Grouping I would like to buy.

The group Looks good to me, the u-boat badge was awarded in mid 1942 to the sailor.

Not to say the badge could not have been added or swapped to the group.

Thanks for the comparison photos, and I also looked in Torpedo Los per Erik.

The Retaining ring, and square base plate was confusing me.

Paul

And here is another badge from a dealer site, that looks the same.

I change my mind on the Meybauer. I am unsure of the Maker.

The Retaining clip seems to face opposite all of the examples of badges I have seen,

Is this unique, a counterfeit?

Thanks Again.

And the back.

These are the only pictures available to me.

Thanks

Paul

Hello,

I was hoping for some opinions on this one.

I think Meybauer, Zinc, Original ??

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

Front:

Hello,

I use the Itoya a4 art profolio Professional.

Acid free paper, archival safe polyglass.

I buy one for each grouping of photos.

I collect u-boat photos,documents, so one for each boat,group.

They are expensive,but storage and display is fantastic.

Paul

The chap with the Goatee beard in Photo 2 is Fregattenkapit?n Hans Ibbeken, commander of U-178. The Oakleaves winner is his Flotilla Commander, Fregattenkapit?n Klaus Scholtz.

Here is another shot, which gives a better view of Scholtz.

Thanks very much.

I should have known that was scholtz, as I have a photo album of u-108.

Paul

Ah-- I meant POST number 3-- the Young Bill Clinton type.

Thank you, as I am trying to collect a war era photo of every commander.

These are the only ones I have not identified.

Paul

#1 was Oberleutnant zur See Ludwig Forster: born 9 October 1915 in Lauingen bei Dillingen, lost 22 August 1942 as commander of U 654 (since 25.11.41). Same photo, much cropped, is in Rainer Busch & Hans-Joachim R?ll "German U-Boat Commanders of World War II."

#3) PROBABLY Oberleutnant zur See Gustav L?ssow: born 30 Decemeber 1917 in Teterow, Mecklenburg. Lost 28 January 1944 as commander of U 571 (since 31 May 1943).

I am 99% sure of him from his distinctive ears and eye, but hard to judge against his photo in the same book where he is frowning for the camera with a blond billygoat tuft on his chin and a mustache.

Thank you!!!!!....Thats fantastic....Fast reply.

#3 is that my last picture or the kaptain with the knights cross, sorry I did not make that very clear.

Paul

Last-1

Next- 2

Hello,

Anybody know these 4-kaptains.

Thanks Paul

Fantastic!!

Paul

Photo-3

Comments on this one. Appreciated

Photo-2

Paul,

nice Meybauer badge and a great looking group of what appears to be worn,but original items.

Great stuff.

Maybe you coul post some pic's of the clasp also.

Regards,Martin.

Thanks Martin.

Here are photos of the clasp.

... the badge to the left is Norwegian, kind of ski competition, ski club or similar. Roughly translated it's "ULL God of the Skirunners".

You have to dig into the Scandinavian mytology which is rather complex, but...

"Ull = God of justice, hunting and duelling. Ull was the son of Sif, wife of Thor. Ull later married Skadi, a giantess and ex-wife of Nj?rd. Ull lived in Ydalir in Asgard. Ull was an excellent archer and taught man how to ski and was the inventor of snowshoes. Ull was known variously as ski-As, bow-As, hunting-As and shield-As."

Hope this helps, Lars

Wow!!!

Thanks for the info, I will see if that ties into the Tradition badge.

Thanks very much

Paul

Paul,

Terrific grouping! Great to have all of the badges and insignia in addition to the Fuhrungsbuch. Congratulations!!

Could we see a closeup of the tradition stickpin? Is this postwar?

Best Regards,

Erik

Thanks Gordon and Erik.

Here is a picture of the tradition badge. (70's-era).

What is the medallion on the Left???

And here is a picture of the whole group.

Here is the back.

Hello,

Am excited, just jumped into u-boat badge collecting.

Purchased a big group!!!!

Here is the first one:

Paul Meybauer, tombak, unmarked, segmented, original.

Am I correct?

Any feedback Appreciated

Thanks Paul

I would just like to add that I appreciate the responses to both my posts.

This is a nice friendly forum, with some real experts. Makes the hobby a lot more fun.

Am looking forward to becoming more involved.

Paul

Hello!

Nice addition.

All the best

Nesredep

Hello,

Thanks...do not have it yet.....Hopefully!!

Paul

Paul, as Gordon indicated I've spent some time looking at these badges with the 5 segmented wings and I'm not much smarter than when I started. I first became aware of them when close to a dozen of them appeared in the collectors market over a period of 2-3 months. They may have been around before that but I was unaware until they suddenly seemed plentiful.

The majority of these badges appear to be made of zinc and have a cut-out swastika. The pin and catch hardware on the majority of them closely resembles accepted Klein & Quenzer hardware as shown in Gordon's book "Torpedo los!" on page 173. This has lead some to think that they may have been manufactured by K&Q. I have however noted one of these badges with a "block" style hinge assembly similar to the Schwerin hinge shown on page 157 in Gordon's book.

The obverse design of the badge is different that that of K&Q with the 5 wing sements, cut-out swastika arms, different deck gun and conning tower designs. I have however seen one 5 segmented wing specimens with a solid (non-cutout) swastika arms. It is worth noting that the badge I viewed with the solid swastika appears to be tombac while all the ones with the cut-out swastikas appear to be made of zinc.

Most of these badges appear to be unmarked although I'm aware one one existing with the number 65 stamped on the pin, indicating K&Q as the manufacturer.

Whether the 5 segmented wing model of badge is original wartime manufacture or a postwar badge is unclear. Numerous possibilities exist including:

1. It is possible that K&Q had a 5 segment wing set of dies that were also used during wartime. If this is in fact the case, then it would be no surprise to see other differences in the badges design, such as the deck gun and conning tower differences and the cut-out swastika.

2. It is possible that these are wartime badges but not manufactured by K&Q, and

3. It is possible that these are not wartime manufactured badges.

To me, it is bothersome that a number of these badges appeared for sale within a period of a couple months and that the reverse hardware and swastika design is not consistent among them. One might think that if the badges were made by a single manufacturer that the reverse side hardware and swastika design might be the same. It should be noted however that the single badge I've seen with the solid swastika appears to have been made of tombac and the ones with the cut-out arms made of zinc. We do know that tombac and zinc badges made by the same manufacturer often had diferent hardware styles and design differences.

As I said, I'm no smarter after studying these badges than before. To me they are unproven as to origin or originality. Personally, I'd much rather spend my hard earned money on a badge without so many questions.

I hope this is of some help.

Dick

Dick Thanks very much for the information,greatly appreciated. I hope to get more pictures in the next couple of days.

I wouldn't go after this badge, except it is part of a desirable group of items.

The dealer (has a good reputation) says the group comes direct from the family (i know they always say that). The dkig document in my other post

is a part of the group, and the real reason I really want the group,is it has a nice tradition badge, which is my most desired u-boat item.

Everything looks good, except the badge is throwing me off.

Anyways I will post more pics.

Thanks very much

Paul

Looks good. These are usually hand signed rather than with a facsimilie stamp, so minor differences in the signature are to be expected.

I like the fact that it correctly uses the large font from the so called "F?hrerschreibmaschine" for the typewritten portions.

The word "Grossadmiral" is usually centered on the doc but thats not something I'd be unduly concerned about. In hand inspection is always best to be sure about these but I don't see anything from the photo that raises suspicion.

That is good news, Thanks very much for the Information.

Paul