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If it is laser cut it is not very clean nor even it looks more like it was cut with a heated instrument or tool which would be heated far above silvers melting point which would make sense for the period unless they had a fine torch ? a laser cuts allot cleaner than this I have dealt with lasers in my work.This appears too primitive and unclean to be cut by laser but I am not a jewler it is just my oberservation.Thank you again

Thank you very much for taking the time to point out these issues it is very interesting to say the least. One thing I noticed though was that there is sodering burn for the clasp hook over the PLM engraving wich I belive the whole piece was created at once including the engraving and the assembly of the badge but this is only a theory.You have very interesting points of view and observations which I have not considered.Just one last question? Did a cut out badge from the period ever exist or are there any known examples? Is there any documentation or photographs of one being worn? I read that one person had seen a cutout worn by a pilot that was period? Did the factory make the badges? I thought jewlers made them in limited runs.So would they order a completed badge from the factory and then put their name on it? If this was special order is their still the possibility that it being done all at once that it was a special order piece from Poellath? It is my last and final question as I see people may have grown tired of this discussion but I thank every one who gave their opinoins and input to this post.

They said that cut outs were rare and custom ordered no one has said why this badge does not look correct or pointed out what was wrong with it as far as I have understood.They just say they would not like it.Thanks for your input can you tell me any solid reasons why there would be something wrong with this piece please? I am not in denial I appreciate and accept all or any opinions and thank you for yours.The center has file marks and does not look laser cut this piece sold some years ago for thousands and there were several bidders on it I still belive in it but every one has their opinion and I am open to hear them all and take any critique people want to voice.

Do you have a photo of a cut out badge please if you have one post it.Thank you

Could this be a one of a kind custom ordered badge?? Possibly ? I don't know about the family history because no one will tell me any info on it at the auction house because of their privacy policy to protect the buyer. Did other aces have cut outs?

He purchased the badge from a U.S. Auction House 4 years ago it came with a C.O.A. no other info.The pilot killed himself in 1918 after Germany lost the war.Does any one know if cut out badges were common in 1918 or is it a family piece? It appears to be finely filed and cut out.What was the purpose of cutting out the badge is it post humous? The PLM has soder marks from the torch over it so it is not a badge engraved later it was done all at once I assume.Did pilots get a cut out badge when they won the PLM? Did they have PLM's engraved on their badges during the war.Is there any information on Poellath hallmarks? I wish I knew more? Have you seen any cut out badges before with PLM's on them? Thank you for your information and for your input.

The word silber is double struck Carl Poellath (schrob)enhausen (SSIBERRR) double struck?? Jewler miss rest is crisp but schrrob and ssiberrr is double stuck was this common all letters are deep

I taped over his name because I don't want people bad mouthing my friends badge if they don't like it because he paid allot for it the recipient was a famous ace pilot.

Really could it be a jewlers copy period 1918 ?? I can't find any refernce either anywhere? Is the name stamped correctly?

The workmanship is astounding

Here is the maker also

This is my friends WW1 Bavarian Ace named pilots badge with his PLM engraved on the back of the badge and it is cut out. It comes with a C.O.A. from a reputable auction house.Some one said there were no cut out badges here is one and it has the PLM and the maker.I though all should see this rare find it was purchased in 2005 at auction.This must be rare one of a kind unless some one else has one because I can not find any information on it? Does anyone know about these rare pieces?

This appears hand filed no one disputes it either

Here is a real period badge with a C.O.A.

Here is a real cut out not one person has dispute it to date here and it has a C.O.A.

What about this image here is one of the rare few it has a C.O.A. from a reputable auction house.

Here is my friends badge that he bought from a reputable auction house it is very rare and they gave him a C.O.A. with it. It is cut out named and has a P.L.M. engraved on back. Some one said there were no cutouts well here is one named with the PLM. The word silber is stamped twice over on the back. I could not find any information on this piece so I am posting it here to see if anyone can tell me something about it?It is a very rare piece and I can't find any refernce to it?

I don't know if it was good or bad ? The group was taken away for some reason and they have no info on it? I am very curious about my friends Pilots Badge with the PLM engraved on the back and it being cut out and named.I will post photos monday.I hope some people have opinions then.

My friend bought the badge from Manions the Oblt Fritz Ritter Von Roth a couple years ago there is a PLM engraved on the back it even has a Manions C.O.A with it signed by Manions I called them about it and they would not tell me anything about the sale nor could they find any records but the C.O.A. is the only record.My friend is sending it to me it will be here monday I will post photos of it.The recent grouping for $30.000 with the cased pilots badge with the PLM on the back disappeard after being on for a couple weeks and they have no info on that either when I called? My friend bought a PLM in the same auction as the cut out that says period 1918 jewlers example with C.O.A. again.You have got to see these. The photos I have now are too big to post even after I shrunk them I will have the badge monday and reshoot it.It is a cut out Bavarian named with a PLM on the back.I need some advice please. Attached File(s) smaller.bmp ( 62.4K ) Number of downloads: 3