Tim B

Got talking to Jeff Floyd the other day on why these American Theatre Campaign Medals might not be as thick as the other campaign medals the US Mint produced and wondered if it had to do with the overall design.

Both the Asiatic-Pacific and European-African-Middle-Eastern (EAME) campaign medals have obverse designs that carry across and off the edges of the medal planchet. Perhaps the blank planchet had to be thicker in order for the strike to remain sharply detailed to the very edge without cracking or breaking the planchet?

The American Theatre Campaign has a more centrally located design and the edges sort of taper off. As Jeff had mentioned, the miniscule amount of metal saved would be hardly of significance, until we start talking about the millons of medals produced and manufacturers would have to take things like this into account, even the US Mint.

Only a guess here. Anyway, here's some more comparisons to look at. An EAME Campaign Medal comparison showing the US Mint planchet on the bottom and a Medallic Art Company example on top.

Tim

Hi Lambert,

Unless someone just placed a rather large cross to indicate a wound; perhaps a LARGE wound!

Here's the only Commemorative I have that has a red cross on it, along with the volunteer crown.

Tim :beer:

Thanks for kicking this area off Jim!

I remember reading your previous posts on these in another thread and was quite surprised to see the differences. The more common of the two is of course the one issued to those that did not go to Europe to actually fight in the Great War.

Tim

Those of us who sell real medals from Virginia prefer NOT to be confused with Mr. Shank, the seller from WEST Virginia.

I like that! :beer:

Looks like a prize from that e-bay seller from Virginia, now Mt. State (?)

If its this guy ... stay away. He sells almost nothing but fakes.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/N...=item33690411a7

RARE items that no one else has for prices that are hard to believe ... for the uneducated that is ....

Yes, that seller is notorious for selling fakes. Also, keep in mind that you can buy all kinds of brooches on eBay now and that makes things even harder.

Tim

Hi Rich,

A nice start! Here's some of my singles and it all comes with time and patience.

Tim

Beautiful! Very simple but elegant design and what condition!!

Tim

Well, thanks to Nick, the new forum icon is in place and looks nice IMO. Should help members find us a bit easier!

I mentioned to Nick, that if the seven threads currently lying outside the main sections don't move, they will eventually cycle down and onto the next page/s providing no new posts are added to those threads. So, either way, I don't think this will be a issue.

Tim :beer:

Hi Mike,

Yes, I have seen some of these for sale occasionally, but less and less these days.

Tim

Here's another one from the past:

Bill,

Forgot exactly where I copied this PIC from, I think eBay sometime back, but thought you might find it interesting.

Tim

Hi Bill,

Nice vic! No issues here, everything is correct, congrats!

Tim

Here's a nice little site that has a wealth of information on more than just Victory Medals. This link should take you directly to the ribbon examples for these: http://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/rubans-tableau1.html#Interalliees

Tim

Hi Tony,

I will default to Rob here as he has more knowledge on the various ribbons.

I know the Czech pieces have a variety of ribbons/patterns but, your example is different from the ones I am used to seeing. Still, I don't know what other medal it would go to.

The French medal may have the correct ribbon but the green kind of throws me off, perhaps due to the fading.

I think the British one is okay, just fading IMO.

Tim

Hello Tim,

My two Type 1 vics are to a LT in RFA and a MAJ in the RAMC (Medical Corps).

Regards,

Rob

Hi Rob,

I tried to find the excellent comparisons you did on the old thread but couldn't find those pages, maybe I missed them? Anyway, I remember you showed some die comparisons of the medal planchets that might be of interest here.

With the information Gunner just added, do you still consider your medal bar example (with MID) as a Type-1 or is it one of these refurbished examples?

Tim

Found this HLP example while I was browsing information online. It was listed as a 1980's reissue piece but, with the slot-brooch, I'm not so sure here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but slot-brooch should have been phased out sometime in the 1960's. His Lordship Products (HLP) was one of the main suppliers of military awards then, but I would think if they were issuing this out in the '80's, it would have been on a crimp brooch, no?

Anyway, thought it was interesting to see and decided to post it here. Laslo lists this HLP reissue Type-1 in his reference and you can just see the "beveled lug" suspension. Not 100% here, but does the lug look a bit narrow on this one?

One thing I did find interesting here, is the blue vice purple thread used to mount the brooch. In another thread I recently started on clasp star variations, I had shown examples that had odd arrangements of clasps and this blue thread. Could there be a connection?

Tim

Well, a few lookers but no comments. Does anyone know the answer?

Tim

Gunner,

Some really sweet examples shown. I do see a common factor here, all of these are to officers. I wonder if any enlisted men received the Type-1 VM?

Tim

Hi Bill,

I think we still have some minor bugs to work out and I know Nick is rather busy at the moment. I have pointed a couple of items out, such as these threads you mentioned, it's just a matter of making it happen. Unfortunately, these changes have to be made at the admin level.

Baby steps, but we're getting there!

Until then, read whatever but, try to post in the threads that have the sub-headers "post your XXX medals here". That way the new threads will be taking off and we won't have much to move down the road. At last count, I think I see seven threads total that are outside the new threads and need to be moved. Then again, we may just leave them depending how hard it is to incorporate these.

Tim

Hi Gunner,

I need to find me a nice complete one, unit doesn't really matter to me, just condition. Hint-hint

Tim

Thanks guys!

Keep in mind, the intent is to consolidate as much information on these Inter-Allied Victory Medals in one location as possible while separating the topics a bit to make it easier to find specifics, or expand more in depth on the details while keeping those specific topics of discussion on target.

There will always be other threads in the various forums on GMIC, simply no way to get around it. There are groupings, medal/ribbon bars, old existing threads, etc. I'm sure others will continue to post some items in respective country forums to get specific information as well. All we can do is try to direct those collectors here, and if the information is double-posted, it really doesn't matter as long as the member gets the information he/she is after.

Thanks again for everyone's paitence as we make the changeover.

Tim

Hi Lambert,

Yes, I pretty much have the same understanding and never really thought of these as WW1 Victory Medals per-se. As you pointed out they were meant for the Philippine National Guard that did not actually participate in the Great War.

I think, as they were under US jurisdiction at the time, they felt they were entitled to something, being in uniform, similar to the average American soldier/sailor that may or may not have actually participated in battle but, was entitled to wear the victory medal as part of his uniform simply by being uniformed military at the time.

Laslo thought enough of it to include it in his reference, so I thought I should at least include it here and gave it it's own header. I have not done so with the Chinese Commemorative and figure either someone will want that one included or simply call it out in the "Other related section".

I must say, after seeing the quality of strike of the above ebay piece, I thought it closely mirrored the quality of the Philippine minted coins of that era, so had a change of heart towards these. Still, I would want a complete version with ribbon if I was to ever add one to my collection.

Tim

I understood, at one point in the past, these Type-1's were not desired and could be had for less than or the same price as the Type-2's. Try to find one today and I bet you can't say that anymore, if you can even find them.

Tim

Thanks for posting that Chris!

We just do not see many of these documents, including the Brevets that were issued. Nice addition!

Tim

:jumping: Wow, excellent information Gunner!

I have always wanted to know more details on distingushing between the Type 1 & 2 medals and this really explains it! Thank you!

Tim

I need some quick assistance in verifying a medal that I received today.

I have several WWII campaign medals from various manufacturers and have noticed the US Mint produced examples have a slightly thicker planchet when compared to other makers.

Today, I received a nice looking American Campaign Medal in the US Mint issued box and the medal planchet is thinner than I expected and thinner when compared to the US Mint Asiatic-Pacific and EAME medals I have already. The suspension ribbon is shorter as I would expect on the Mint produced medals, but I need to know if the medal planchet is correct here.

Do all US Mint WW2 Campaign Medals have a thicker planchet? IF anyone has one available, can you either take a measurement of the thinkness or possibly post a comparison PIC of one next to another manufacturer like the example PIC below?

Thank you,

Tim

Here's a comparison of a Mint produced vs Medallic Art Company (Asiatic-Pacific) example and you can see the difference in the planchet.