Georg14

Good Day.

Few more questions: manufacturer "ZIN" ("ЗАВОД ЗА ИЗРАДУ НОВЧАНИЦА") and "ЗНБ КОВНИЦА", when it was renamed? What number ranges each of them? Anyone knows?
Another 2 cl. IKOM wider nut (order looks like IKOM too) with only one hallmark (hexagon) - weight 24.7 g.

It means – IKOM hallmarked early (#10K,12K) orders weighed 23-25g (as without hallmark), but higher(#20) hallmarked already 33-36g. The difference in size is not seen. Maybe earliers without hallmarks were silver too ?

It's not clear again… Thanks.

Like shows my small experience in this thread (all screwbacks, without nut):

IKOM hallmarked 2 kl. – 34,5g (#23K), 3 kl. – 35,9g (#101K),

no hallmarked 2 kl. – 24,4g (#10K) 3 kl. – 23-26g (#25K,73K).

ZIN never seen a piece with hallmarks,

2 kl. – 24,8-25,6g (#6xx,4K) 3 kl. – 26-27,5g (3K,4K,6K).

Of course this is not enough for the final results, so You're probably right in Your post #64.

Thanks and best regards!

Thank You.

Is it right, that some of these silver orders were without hallmark ? So why I asked about the weights difference of silver and tombak screwbacks.

And I think it will be easier to compare the weight of the orders, but who knows the weight of the silver and tombak orders(the same manufacturer and same class) ?

Regards.

Hi, Gentlemen.

What is the weight difference of silver and tombak these screwback orders?

Strange(for me) situation: high numbers are with the silver hallmarks, but earliers without… What is the reason ? Is it known the numbers range of silver and metal screwacks ? Thanks.

All known marks (+ME) are Russian White Armies, were made in 1918-29.

Good Day.

Who know what firm/maker in Germany could belong to this brand (except M.Evgenieff). Manufacturing period of rewarding marks(mostly Russian) 1920-30. Thanks.

Thanks and Happy New Year !

Many thanks and Merry Christmas !

AD - Agnus Dei, EH - Ecce Homo. But is it possible such slogan on the Masonic badge ?

Sorry. now better. Letters are AD EH.

... rev.:

Good afternoon, Gentlemen. Maybe somebody knows, what cross is this ? Red glass, gilded metal, no marks, ab. x70mm. Thanks.

Hello.

You are probably right, but the hint is only a hint... and it didn't convince me personally.

Thanks for information and good luck!

Hi.

Unfortunately I did not see such lists, but why You are sure that the products in it were make with a swastika? Is there illustrations too, can You show them? After the WW2 NSDAP outlawed and forbade all its symbols. As a result of it, under a ban there was a carrying of all awards of the Third Reich as practically all of them among the elements making their decorating, had a swastika. Officially it is impossible till present time (You know it better) and especially in the first post-war years. May be this is a list of Official denazified orders of the Third Reich, 1957 ?

Many thanks to all for discussion!

Certainly, doubtful subjects I do not leave in a collection.

Once again, thanks.

"Especially Steinhauer & Lück, Souval and also others produced many pieces post-war." - yes, but without swastikas.

Hi.

"...in Austria, there is (if I remember correctly) no ban on Swastikas there)..." - probably presently, but in post-war years it was impossible.

"...Split an EK2 and you have the front rims for 2 EK1..." - just this rim wasn't earlier used at EK2 (no slightest signs). Also, as spoke above, it is not typical for Souval.

If it is a fake, fakemaker had an unused rims of EK2 ?

A few years ago in a network the similar cross was shown, but the rim maker was other.

So, is it realy FAKE or kind of product of "ghost" firms of the endtime of war ?

Thanks.

Thank You for the answer. But...: 1. after "45 to produce a cross with a swastika was risky and it is improbable, 2. the frame is not typical manufactured by Souval, and there is workplace (on top) of the 2nd class. How all this to combine? Natural fake ? Thanks

Revers.

Good Day. Who is maker of this EK1, if it is not fake, certainly. Thanks.

And the most interesting (my opinion). It was found in Liefland(South Estland). Fe(magnetic), aver. is painted by black.

Ag 800.

I am agreeable with You completely ! :beer:

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Good Day! If it is interesting, some crosses from my box, here not shown.

Screwback, unfortunately without a nut.