cimbineus

Gordon, Cimbineus !

In my opinion not the badge is fake, only the HUPR State crest 1949 was changed to te State crest 1957. The flat back, and the riveted crest is a existing variation.

Hi Zsolt,

Yes, this was my first guess as well. But when I examined the badge more carefully, I changed my mind. The reason is simple: I think it is close to impossible to drill the enamelled part through without damaging the badge itself. And there was a definite whole in the middle of the banner going through the badge with the '57 crest's rivet in it. And, as I mentioned earlier, the badge itself was unrealistically shiny.

Regards,

cimbineus

Another beauty!!

Another badge to look for too.

Do you know when it was instituted?

Thanks for showing us.

Hello all,

My guess is that this badge was instituted in the very early 50s, perhaps before 1953, because in '53 and '54 two series of agricultural "KIV?L?" badges were instituted, end this type never appeared after that, it became obsolete I think.

Regards,

cimbineus

Hello all,

This is another interesting and rare badge of this "KIV?L?" category, the "KIV?L? KOMB?JNVEZETŐ" badge. (Excellent combine-harvester).

Regards,

cimbineus

Hi all,

Here is some more information on that badge. The fake was a good quality enamelled badge, a shiny one. The '57 coat of arms was fixed not on the surface of the badge, like it is on the original one, but it was fixed with a through-going rivet, like it is on "KIV?L? SZOLG?LAT?RT ?RDEMREND". The size of the crest was also something similar to the size of that. Otherwise, the back was flat.

Regards,

cimbineus

cimbineus,

Thanks very much for getting a picture of this document for the forum members from your friend. This appears to be the small carrying document rather than the larger award document. True?

Regards,

Gordon

Gordon,

No, on the contrary! This is the "big" one, the presentation document, the "diploma" which is usually put in a plastic covered booklet with the coat of arms on it. This is not the "permission" paper.

Rgards,

cimbineus

Hello again,

The ?SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM? type I medal is scarce not only because of its very short period of existence. At that time, if a new type of medal was instituted, usually there was a provision which allowed changing the ?old? type to the ?new? version of the award. And many people did so, especially in this case. They changed this ?ugly flat coin? to the new shiny golden award.

Regards,

cimbineus

Have you ever seen any documents for type One?

Hello all,

You asked about the document, so, here it is. It comes from the collection of one of my friends. This is the official document of the "SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM" type I. The change to the new type happened only in April 1954. (I modified the name because of privacy reasons.)

Regards,

cimbineus

how much did it go for?

Hi Ulsterman,

As far as I can remember, the reserve price was about 6.000,- HUF, (around 30,- USD) but I no nothing about the hammer price, I did not follow that auction.

cimbineus

Hi all,

The other day I saw one Partisan Badge on a Hungarian auction site. There was no information added.

Here is the picture:

(Source: www.vatera.hu)

cimbineus

... and the second badge:

cimbineus

Hello Gents,

You have shown a lot of different interesting types of "MAGYAR ?LMUNK?S" badge throughout this topic. Let me add some really unique ones. Most probably, these badges were presented to the commission for approval in March-April 1948, but not accepted by the Trade Unions' Council for any reasons. ("?MUK" stands for "?LMUNK?S")

Here is the first one:

Regards,

cimbineus

... and finally, type I, version 2, sub-version B, badge no (3.)

Here is type I, version 2, sub-version A, that is badge no (2.)

Regards,

cimbineus

... It was instituted my the Council of Ministers by resolution number 1006/1977. ...

Gents,

Let me share with you some information on this badge. In fact, this badge was only re-instituted in 1977, because its origins go back to 1953. Originally, it was instituted by the Council of Ministers' resolution number 1002/1953. (II.1.). The type I. was an enamelled five pointed star. This first type had two versions. Version 1 had a continuous inscription "A SZOCIALISTA KULT?R??RT" in the middle of the badge, while version 2 had the same phrase but divided into two parts: "A SZOCIALIST" and "KULT?R??RT". (Stands for "for the socialist culture" ? whatever it means.) This last had two sub-versions which differ by their convexities and backs.

- type I, version 1 (1.)

- type I, version 2, sub-version A (2.)

- type I, version 2, sub-version B (3.)

- type II, (4.)

So, we have four badges altogether, and Gordon kindly shared with us badge no (4.)

Here is type I, version 1, that is badge no (1.)

Regards,

cimbineus

Hello Gents,

You have shown a lot of different interesting "KIV?L? MUNK??RT" badges throughout this topic. Let me add another type, a rather unique one. Here you can see the same basic badge, the five pointed silver star, but with a different enamelled type "ribbon", which came again later with the early "KIV?L? DOLGOZ?" badges.

Regards,

cimbineus

Good Lord!

Fantastic medal.

Have you ever seen any documents for type One?

Thanks for showing it to us.

No, unfortunately I have not seen any presentation document so far, only the booklet, which is the same for type I. and type II.

And now, Gents, let me show you a very unique piece of the "SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM". This was a not realised prototype from those years. The back is not interesting at all. Just a flat surface.

Regards,

cimbineus

Hello all,

I offer here some vocabulary that might be useful for not native speaker collectors of Hungarian "KIV?L?" badges. I think you can see these words on this kind of badges quite often.

• MUNKA ? work, labour
• MUNK?S ? in general: worker, but mostly physical worker
• MUNK?SA ? worker of ?
• MUNK??RT ? for ? work (agricultural, excellent, etc.)

• KIV?L? ? excellent, the highest distinction.
• ?RDEMES ? meritorious, a lower distinction.
• J? ? good, the lowest distinction.

• ?LMUNK?S - front-runner (vanguard) worker, gaffer

• DOLGOZ? ? employee in general (both physical and intellectual)
• DOLGOZ?JA ? employee of ?

• V?LLALAT ? company, firm
• INT?ZM?NY ? institution
• TAN?CS ? council (the local organ of communist governance)
• MINISZT?RIUM ? ministry
• GY?R ? factory
• MEZŐGAZDAS?G ? agriculture
• IPAR ? industry

• NEH?Z ? heavy
• K?NNYŰ ? light

• B?NY?SZ ? miner
• B?NY?SZAT ? mining industry

• TANUL? ? pupil
• TANUL?S ? learning
• TANUL?S?RT -. For learning

• T?RSADALMI MUNKA? work done in public interests, "voluntary" that is free work

~a, ~ja, ~e, ~je at the end of a word usually means "of"

~?rt at the end of a word usually means "for"

~ban, ~ben at the end of a word usually means "in"

~?s, ~?s at the end of a word usually means "~ing", that is a process. (Example: TANUL ? to learn; TANUL?S ? learning)

~at, ~et at the end of a word usually means "~ing", "~y" or "~try", that is an activity or a field of activity. (Examples: B?NY?SZ ? miner, B?NY?SZAT ? mining; KOH?SZ ? metallurgist, KOH?SZAT ? metallurgy; VEGY?SZ ? chemist, VEGY?SZET - chemistry.)

~?sz, ~?sz at the end of a word usually means "~ist", "~er", "~or", e.t.c., that is a person who deals with something (Examples: B?NYA ? mine, B?NY?SZ ? miner, or M?H ? bee, M?H?SZ ? bee-keeper, KERT ? garden, KERT??SZ ? gardener; ?J?T?S ? innovation, ?J?T? - innovator.)

I think it is enough for the first time.

Regards,

cimbineus

Cimbineus -

do you have a Kivalo Dolgozo for the Interior Ministry by chance???

... and here is the back of that badge:

Cimbineus -

do you have a Kivalo Dolgozo for the Interior Ministry by chance???

Yes, I have that badge in my collection. It is extremely scarce in this category (RRR) which means, that it is almost impossible to find. Here is the picture:

... Do you have a copy of the Kivalo Dolgazo book at all?

If you mean the "KIT?NTETŐ JELV?NYEK ?S C?MEK A POLG?RI ?LETBEN, 1948-1990" from 1997, yes, I have one copy.

cimbineus,

Another new badge that I have not seen before and I have a lot of "KIV?L? DOLGOZ?" badges. As you say, these are very attractive badges.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

It is very interesting that approximately from 1990 those badges became quite popular to collect and many of them gradually became very difficult to find items. I must admit that this is one of my favourite fields.

Regards,

cimbineus

cimbineus,

Thanks for adding this early piece to our thread. One of these was auctioned off today but I decided not to bid on it. I'll probably live to regret it!

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

I was thinking to go there too, but finaly decided not to go. Could you recall the hammer price for it, please?

Regards,

cimbineus

Interesting bar.

Unusual he didn't get a Hungarian or Austrian commemorative medal.

Yes, I agree. It is unusual and even strange that he had no Austrian or/and Hungarian commemorative medals. Since this is an Austrian bar, perhaps he or the inheritors separated that/those medals from the bar for any reason, and by the time that/those got lost.

cimbineus

And here is the very first type of this decoration of "SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM" from 1953. Only 858 pieces were awarded during its less than one year existence.

The back is just a flat disc, nothing interesting.

Regards,

cimbineus

Hi all,

Here are the backs:

... and my answers to Gondon's questions:

1.) The 1^st and 2^nd (from the left) stars are both the '53 issue. The only difference is the ribbon colour. Yes, those are 28mm gilded bronze stars.

2.) The 3^rd one is the '54 issue, which is a 30mm five pointed star, with more prismatic shape, but I cannot see any other specificity on its back.

3.) Yes, the '64 type, the 4^th one on the picture, is a gold one, and has an even more prismatic form, but the back is very similar again. Yes, I think that those, although in a decreasing number, but indeed were awarded until 1989.

Regards,

cimbineus