Stijn David

Hi John,

No problem => iff one does ask questions we can't learn + im always happy to help out when possible.

There where approx. 2.000 Silver C awarded from 1931 towards 1943 (believe me, known numbers are lower then 2.000) , from this i have made already a breakdown and have found out at this very point that the following country's did hold a Silver C in the above mentioned period:

1.444 : Germany

208 : Poland

133 : Hungary

54 : U.K.

40 : France

31 : Switzerland

27 : U.S.A.

And then we have multiple country's with a few silver C's earned

More research is needed but once upon a time i will launch a (hopefully) nice article about this subject, with name listst, etc ....

ps: we have to see this all in its context, after the 2 nd. WW aerial inventions etc ... did result in much higher performances of planes, etc ... and it has resulted that the Silver C is nowadays a much more easy to archieve award. But lets not forget that with the glider from before 1945 it was a hard to archieve award.

Hello,

Nice one for sure, could this colourpatern simply be a enamelmistake?

With this i do mean a wrong mix of colouring or to high heath during the enamelingproces resulting into a different endcolour.

In older times when the mix of colours (mostly oxides used etc ... in those times ) was rather delicate + the proces of enemaling is a rather delicate one, we do know the examples of the Russian Saint-Anne with black enamel => that is also the result of the enameling proces where something happened that wasn't supposed to happen (certainly in the very old ones).

I believe we do have the exact same in this very Bavarian MVO.

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

Here is a link towards a thread that has information on the subject - silver C

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3523...amp;#entry36883

Post nr. 11 does show a original award document (there does exist 2 patterns of that one by the way - the shown example by Chris is the first pattern) for what is commonly known as the Silver C.

The silver C award (correct German name : Leistungsabzeichen im Silber), in the 1930 & early 1940's this was a very hard badge to obtain, one had to fullfill quite a few conditions to earn it. And with the planes they used that was no piece of cake for sure.

The numbers do speak for themselves - between 1931 and 1942 there where only about 2.000 awarded

Iff someone does have a certain (glider)pilot that he does wisch to be checked - feel free to mail or PM me, as i have the complete list (once upon a time it will be published

As depicted on the document, on had to fullfill 3 different archievements to get that one:

More to follow ...

ps: Iff someone does have a certain (glider)pilot that he does wisch to be checked iff he was a holde rof the famous Silver C - feel free to mail or PM me, as i have the complete list (once upon a time it will be published

Hello,

Silver C?, did someone say silver C ?

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Hello,

I did find the following on ebay, oh yeah pnce again

It is a fact that these things do belong togheter and they make a nice combo for sure - just it is to much to see these become split up :

* EK 2

http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-zweiter-...1QQcmdZViewItem

* Orden vom Z?hringer L?we 2 e Klasse mit Schwertern

http://cgi.ebay.de/Orden-vom-Zahringer-Loe...1QQcmdZViewItem

* Furstliche Hausorden vom Hohenzollern - Ehrenkreuz 3 e Klasse mit Schwertern

http://cgi.ebay.de/Fuerstlich-Hohenzollers...1QQcmdZViewItem

* Hindenburg

http://cgi.ebay.de/Ehrenkreuz-fuer-Frontka...1QQcmdZViewItem

* Wound badge - black

http://cgi.ebay.de/Verwundetenabzeichen-er...1QQcmdZViewItem

* small medal bar

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...p;rd=1&rd=1

This grouping did obviously belong togheter, the award documents are the proof that we are talking about the very same soldier - please someone do reunite these (i am tempted but money is killing me at this point

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Hello,

Here is the piece earned by Leutnant der Reserve Oskar Morath (Artillerie officer), as wel as his EK 2 + ribbon bar.

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Hello,

And here we have the former owner (picture is from his Wehrpass - arround 1940)

As far as i do know at this point he did his duty during WWI and was to be found on the following tehaters of war:

1915 : Hartsmannwillerkopf

1916 :Verdun

1917 : Arras

Then 1918 no other trace to be found - only that he was demobilized ahort after the end of WWI.

I do know that he received 2 awards and thats it (the 2 shown in this thread), hopefully research will bring more about this person as it is always nice to see a order come alive again - especially when it does hold such beauty

Obviously a older man (at that time 55 years old) and a smart guy / Professor (altough it is unclear for me in what)

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Hello,

Thank you both for the comments, i am surprised by the way these are constructed. No picture can show it.

This one did strike me due to the way it is conserved + because it has a background (WP from the original recipient is also with it) .

I have been looking for quite some times for such a beauty (OZL), they have become more and more expensive and i am just as happy with only one => hopefully it can multiply but iff not, just as well

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Hello,

This OZL was awarded 14.01.1916 towards Leutnant Morath - unit listed: fu?artillerie-batterei nr. 361

Please also find his EK 2 + his small ribbon bar.

No further awards are known,etc ... but at least the history behind this beauty is known or we have a strartingpoint for research.

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Hello,

And here is the reverse, the order on its own seems to have been kept with care as it is near prisitine, for me it is certainly one the best looking awards i am able to hold

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Hello,

Here is my first Orden vom Z?hringer L?we, awarded towards Leutnant der Reserve Oskar Morath !!

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Hello,

And here we have his "Z?hringer L?we", it is my first and i must say that i am stumped by the quality of these pieces.

They (=OZL) are so delicate and beautifull (at least towards me). The pictures (scans) do not do justice to the beauty of the award.

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Hello,

Please meet herr Professor Oskar Morath

Anyone a idea how it would be able to find out in what he was a Professor? (most probably impossible but you never know?)

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ps: i was lazy and have taken the picture from the former owner.

Hello,

Well i can add finally a bit more info on dr. Oskar Morath.

He was born : 22.04.1885

He was drafted into the army at 01.10.1908 - Fussart. Regt. 14

Units as known:

- 1914 & 1915 / F.A.R. 14

- 1916 / F.A.R. 16

- 1917 / Inf. Brigade d. 34 Inf. Div. ( ????)

- 1917 / Fussart. BAttr. 361

- 1917 & 1918 / Landw. Fussart. Batl. 29

I do not know how the entry : Inf. brigade d. 34 Inf. Div does fit in? - hopefully you guys can teach me?

As for know promotions at this time:

30.09.1909 : Unteroffizier

05.08.1914 : Vizefeldwebel

21.02.1915 : Leutnant

He was demobilized at 16.12.1918 + seemed to have survived the madness of WWI without a scratch (at least no entry about wounds etc ... are to be found

Battle-entry's:

1915 : Gefecht am Hartmannswillerkopf

1916 : Schlacht bei Verdun

1917 : Fr?hjahrsschlacht bei Arras

He also must have been entitled to receive the Hindenburg, but no entry + no medal present in his legacy.

Im looking forward towards all new info that can be added.

Cordial greetings,

He held the title of Professor at 1940 (and also dr.) - altough i do not know in what ?

Picture nr. 3

Nr. 2

Hello,

The images for Henrik.

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Hello,

Very interesting thread and nice pieces Chris, congrats on these baby's + the history that stick to them are for sure a bonus.

Indeed one does wonder iff these guys ever had the time to rest, teh answer is in most cases rather easy => no they did not have the time, mission after mission had te be flewn resulting in a total breakdown of good crews due to over exhausting. There are numerous occasions known where this did result in a complete loss of a plane and the crew killed. Sad but true

Cordial greetings + thanks for showing,

Hello John,

Thank you for that nice link, interesting to see these guys flying, jumping and running arround in real life for once.

However pure propaganda it is a interesting look for sure !!!

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Hello,

Thank you for both answers => very interesting (im a bit a WWI dummy, as WWII is my main collecting interest but once so often im blinded by imperial beauty )

Very nice info to see when our object of research was promoted from Vizefeldwebel towards Leutnant der Reserve.

I also did receive the following info in the meanwhile:

This person should be mentioned (his award of the OZL) in the "Staatsanzeiger f?r das Grossherzogtum Baden, Sonderdruck I/1916", page 20 !!!

He was awarded his EK 2 on 25.07.1915

So the ploth thickens => hopefully more will be found in a while

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Hello Glenn,

Thank you in advance for the search => looking forward towards what you might find

Anyway i have received the following info already on our Leutnant der R.

He apparently received the OZL on : 14.01.1916 - unit listed: fu?artillerie-batterei nr. 361

Does that info fit in the above given ?

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Hello David,

Thank you for that info, i do not know much more at this point but this mans Wehrpass (WP) is on its it way towards me (should receive it during the next 2 weeks).

I hope that more info is written down altough i doubt that to much detail will be given as the WP is a WWII issue.

Anyway i will write down all i have as it is written down.

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Hello,

Thank you for the search in teh FAR 14 book.

He was part of that unit for the periods:

1908 - 1909

and

05.08.1914 towards 01.02.1915

Any idea on what battles this regt. was involved during the mentionde period?

He was then part of the FAR 16 from:

01.02.1915 towards 28.08.1916

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Hi David,

Thank you, yes sure i have some info on this person:

Known awards:

* EK 2 (awarded 1915)

* OZL - Knight (awarded early 1916)

Known units:

* F.A.R. 14

* F.A.R. 16

Hopefully this will help a bit?

Are these guys (der Reserve) also listed in Ranklists of some kind?

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Hello,

Is there anyone who can help me with finding out information on the following Officer:

Leutnant der Reserve Oskar Morath (Baden).

Cordial greetings,