Stijn David

Hello,

The ribbon bar arrived yesterday !!!

Here is a scan of the 2 eagle devices. They are both golden so they depict :

* Long Service: 25 years

* Long Service : 12 years

The unever fading => probably due to different manufactering (or one is replaced at some time?), as the eagle's also do show different features.

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Italian crown order ...

Thank you both fine gentlemen for the comments

@ Hendrik: you might be able to see the bar in real life at the end of the month => mayby worth bringing our Itlian crown orders with us to compare a bit?

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Hello,

And a closer look at the crown order. A bit worn and very patinated but just as beautifull as it should be

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Hello,

Very good thread => her eis a Italian crown order (officer grade) mounted on a German medal bar

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Hello,

And the Silesian eagle => a nice Meybauer it is

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Hello,

Here is a newly arrived bar, a Freikorps vet with a long service afterwards and a exotic (Italian) enamel one as a plus.

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And a bit more ...

I did find out already that the Silesian eagle is a Meybauer piece.

Here is a scan of it.

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Hello,

The bar did reach its new resting place

Here is a scan of it after a first gentle brusch

More to follow,

Hello,

Thank you for the reply's, even iff this one will always hide his former owner (some mystery is always fun ) => it is a nice combo + i hope that carefull restoring it will remove the dirt and rust that has accumulated over the years on this one and that it will give a bit of the former beauty back.

I did notice that there was a maker mark on the Hindenburg, however did not recognize it untill you did tel me the Godet part, indeed nice

Is the Italian crown order a much found award towards German officers? Can easely imagine that since diplmoatic relations between the 2 countrys during +/- 1925 and 1943 would have been the chance to earn a nice enameled one. Are there actual awarded numbers known (for example towards foreigners = in this case: German) of that one or is that a still undiscovered field ?

Will post it once it has arrived + thank you all for the comments

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Hello,

Very nice picture, for sure some higher noble person (Royal?) as he does lok to you to have the kind of long service to earn these beautyfull stars.

I think that the one breast star is the Black eagle order, the other is not that clear towards me.

The last medal might well be some more exotic piece, im thinking on a Chinese award of some kind or something Persian.

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Hi,

Thank you for the reply's.

What branch do you guys think this was ? Most probably no way to ever know for sure.

I like the fact that the Italian order is still on its place, as after 1943 i can think that quite a few of the now enemy states would be removed.

No need to worry, i will clean it gentle

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Hello,

Very nice and informative , please allow me to give a few corrections on the names of Belgian villages, etc ... (have placed them in BOLD)

1914-

18. - 19.10 Beythem ?- Moorslede

20. - 21.10 Keiberg ?- Broodseinde

20. - 22.10 Paschendaele

22. - 28.10 Gravenstafel - Kerselaereboek Broodseinde

5.11 - 3.12 Sappenangriff gegen die H?he v. Broodseinde

Dez.14 - 21.4.15 Stellungsk?mpfe an der Yser

17.12. franz?sischer Durchbruchsversuch bei Kortekeer

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Hello,

No backing present => see scan.

But iff it is more likely a Marine bar then a Heer bar, in that case mayby RIcky can see in his cristal bal to whom this did belong?

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Hello,

Thank you, are there other possibility's to explain the presence of a non combatant Hindenburg at this bar?

I do not have it at home yet (hope real soon ), as far as i can see the medals etc ... are all but one tightly sewn towards the bar, so no switches there as far i believe?

Hoping that some other friends will join us in here

Will clean the bar up as good as it gets, as it looks now like it can get a bit of cleaning (no need to worry => as it will be cleaned gentle as the bar (- read individual medals) does deserve it. )

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Hi Wade,

Thank you for that marvelous comparison. Indeed the very same place. Makes one wonder iff the soldier tryed to leave his cover and was hit by the deadly destiny at that point?

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Hello,

Here is one that is curently on its way towards me (thank you Christian ) and i like the combination of the 6 awards, WWI service, foreign award (Italy), freikorps and then it seems long service peridoe 1933 - 1945.

Most probably the comination is to thin to find out who was behind this salty bar?

What i was wondering on this one (and some of you wizards can give the correct answer for sure on this one i hope )

* Iron Cross 2 nd cross

* Hindenburg cross (non combatant)

* Silesia order

* Long service - 18 years

* Long service - 4 years

* order of the crown - officer grade (Italy)

Now as far as i can decipher from this:

1) we have a iron cross 2 nd. class on a combatant ribbon but then we see the Hindenburg on a non-combatant, could this be one of the ...... ?

2) What grade do we need to look at you think?, i think it was a normal soldier during WWI (or at the very end) who bumped up during the Weimar periode until WWII towards a officers rank (the Italy crown order does point in that direction)

3) Probably no way to tell iff it is a Heer or Marine bar? (as no backing present)

Im looking forward towards all the opinions,

Hello,

Im a late one but one question always runs towards my mind => who did make these absolute beauty's? Is there a way to find out who mad ewich type of Z?hringer?

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Hello David,

I have more info on towards wich info my suspect did belong :

Fu?ArtBat 361 - date: january 1916

Is that formation part of the already nbamed FAR 14 ?

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Hello David,

Thank you for the fast reply, im after a small Baden grouping and the info i have curently is rather very few.

As soon as i do know more i will post it

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Hello,

Is there anyone who can give me usefull links or info on the "Fuss. Art. Regt. 14 (Baden)" ? For example where active, theater of war, etc ... etc ...

Thank you in advance,

Hello,

The city of Ypres:

* French : Croix de Guerre

* Englisch : Military Cross

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Hello,

Well it seems that the bidding has ended and he earned 102 ? for a total fake. To bad for the buyer (iff there is one offcoarse as he can easely let a freidn bid on it simply to get a bigger price )

Anyway => bad seller = bad deal

Cordial greetings + happy collecting,

Hi John,

My pleasure. I did not ask for further pictures as the ones shown on ebay have already triggered the red flags.

It is indeed one of the most convincing ones, certainly in addition that it is altered and the person who did this has done a rather convincing job. Therefore i believe that it would be quite easy for a person who is not into glider material and cases that much that it will be a cold shower.

The press button is the biggest give away at first, the blue outer colour is also more shiny then on originals (so is the texture of such cases not correct) etc .... + there ar emore signs.

These are often sold with a Fake C.E.Juncker glider badge presented in + since that badge is now easely discovered it seems a new tactique to sell the case on its own.

Anyway not one you would want to spend your precious earned ?'s on

You are indeed correct about the early pre-war cases

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Hello,

I found the following auction at ebay : http://cgi.ebay.de/ETUI-ZUM-SEGEL-FLUGZEUG...1QQcmdZViewItem

The members whould become aware that this is a fake case (several things are clear pointers; for example the push button, the inlay is made on these from wood instead of from cardboard as on original cases, etc ... ).

The fakers have certainly done their best to let this one look worn and torn, but it does remain a fake.

Therefore => be aware and do not hope in this case for a cheap original !!!

Original cases for the Luftwaffe Glider pilots badge are really hard to find and should be considered rare nowadays.

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ps: the copyright of the images are from the seller (cholerikerfullpower ), therefore feel free to look at the ebay auction.

Hello,

Thank you for all the responses

I will post detailed scans when i got it at home, iff it is OK then i am offcoarse happy => iff not then that is just as fine

Iff real then i really wonder iff names can be put on this one as that would be really something for sure. But i guess that will be dreaming with open eyes

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