Stijn David

Hello,

Very nice awards, is the ROA a so called "Lilla" example? just curious

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Hello,

Thank your for the additional info + pictures. This is a just wonderfull grouping to say at least and is for me almost the summum one can reach.

When looking into gliding those days and nowadays then we do see indeed that technique has evolved in a enourmous way (glider planes for beginners back then where quite simple models - like the one you show (nickname = Sch?delspalter , now they use all available techniques and the same training level is offcoarse much quicker reached but this does not bring the " leistung " of these old daredevils into descredit.

The same is true for the silver C award (Leistungsabzeichen im Silber), in the 1930 & early 1940's this was a very hard badge to obtain, one had to fullfill quite a few conditions to earn it. And with the planes they used that was no piece of cake for sure. The numbers do speak for themselves - between 1931 and 1942 there where only about 2.000 awarded

And yes your person was nr. 387 to receive it. When we look at the numbers of these we do see that during the early years (1931 towards 1937) the numbers do remain quite stable, from the mid 1937 towards early 1940 numbers where skyrocketing suddenly and the war did kill this hobby and the opportunity to earn the needed qualification. This badge is s study on its own (wich im bussy with and yes a list off all particiapnts will be published once ) and is so unknown that you will see the most stupid catalogue prices for such raritys. And i have not yet started to talk about the large NSFK glider piltos badge

About the pictures. It is very unclear but iff you can date them through the awards then you are already on a good way (any idea Chris?)

I think from what i do see that your person is wearing the bullion version of the Silber C on his tunic (wich would date this picture between 1940 and mid 1942)? , iff you can give us some of the award dates (when available) then we can have clarity on this right away.

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Hi chris,

Thank you very much in sharing this info, absolutely stunning , now my research can go ahead

Will shoot you a PM with a few questions, etc. ..

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Eric,

As ever, your hunting has paid off.. As you know, I'm a sucker for these 'Assmanns', and this one has made my day. Very nice!

I've a little way to go but can't seem to find much on this unit. StG 51 was formed from StG 165 in '39. They flew JU 87B's and operated in France

there is no mention of the 6th Staffel, anywhere. Shall continue the search..

Hello,

Mayby he was later transferred towards the Stuka-Geschwader 77 ? Iff so then you have a change that he had earned the following awards:

* DKiG : 24.11.2941 as a Oberleutnant

* RK : 15.07.1942 as a Hauptmann

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Hello,

Very nice thread guys => and very nice pieces

Here is one that i have for over 4 years by now and it came originally from H.Weitze. It is the unit pin from the "Schleppschule der Lw."

And here is a little background on this sinister unit ( that lasted not that long ) , it was grounded at the end off 1940 by Oberst Drewes and its purpose was to train pilots and crews ( mostly Me 110 ) in towing Glider planes from the type Me 321 ( Gigant )

The pilots where trained in several stadia and they advanced trough several glider planes for its purpose to tow the big beast called Me 321, towing this plane was a rather dangerous job and the first method used to tow it was the so called " TRoika " Schlepp ( this was a towing method in wich 3 Me 110 where attached to the Me 321 ( each with its own towing cable ) and they had the task to tow the Me 321, needles to say that with the smallest missing accidents could happen ( and they sure did happen believe me ) + in many cases resulitng in both the loss off the Me 110 and its crew .

Another task of this schleppschule was to train the pilots to fly another monstrum called the Me 323 ( or the motorized version of the Me 321 ) , the School only existed in its original appearance untill the end of 1941 and at April 1942 the staff of this training unit became the core of the so called Erganzungsgruppe ( S ) 2

places where this particular unit was active where ( in order of date ) :

1 ) Jesau ( near Konigsberg ) the beginning

2 ) Leipheim & Obertraubling

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Hi Chris,

Youve got me drooling into buckets now for sure => Pavlov's dog was even small beer in accordance towards this. Simply stunning piece , and the official awarded specimen also !!!

Can you post the Silver C document please?, i am working on a article on these and have a theory + you can help me to proove my theory.

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Hello,

And yes my friends, we can add the following :

* Wunsch Fridolin was a "Ehrenpokal" holder - attributed 30.04.1943 as a oberfeldwebel

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Hello,

Thanks Walle => at last the missing links has found there way up here , now lets start in posting variations on the different shield documents. I have a rather boring collecting as i only do posses Cholmshield ones (and they do all look the same after all )

Common guys => show them

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Hello,

Very interesting pieces and a great deal of (unknown) history presented in this thread. Hendrik has given a lection past saturday about this subject and i was impressed with what is possible on this medal (such a vaiety on bars, simply stunning )

Keep it up guys and bomb us with such bars (and medals) iff you have them.

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Hi,

Very nice Asmann badge => just love it !!!, confratulations

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Hello,

Thank you for showing the sister (or is it brother) from my packet => now my piece does now that he is not alone any more

I have however a question as this thread did raise a question for me. Are the Zimmermann company of Stuttgart (LDO nr. 6) the same as the Zimmermann company of Pforzheim (LDO nr. 20) ? Are they related etc ... etc ...

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Hello,

And finally the maker mark on the packet => feel free to post your Fritz Zimmermann / Stuttgart exmaple over here

Cordial greetings + thanks for looking,

Hello,

Here we have its original protective paper package

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The reverse of our little untouched beauty

Hello,

Here is iron cross 2 nd. class that was awarded but never worn as such. It still coms in its original paper packet wich is maker marked " Ordensfabrik Fritz Zimmermann - Stuttgart " .

The cross on its own is not maker marked, the core is still in excellent shape. The silver frame is patinated over time. The ribbon is still full lenght and has the orange colour more then red.

Cordial greetings, enjoy + post your brothers or sisters please as this baby is feeling lonely lately

Hi Ed,

Very interesting thread on a (for me) widely unknown area, jsut love it

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Hi Marcus,

Thanks for the ehads up, sometimes taking a break is not so bad after all => it makes you see things more in perspective and what they really are + besides it is only a hobby

To ID these Military crosses is really difficult (at least for me as i do collect the literature of such subjects but not the medals on its own ). At this point of time there are no less then 15 so called types identifyed on the crosses fro 1919 and 1934 and it is rather normal that other types can ID again. Belgium is after all a country where everything is possible

Are there markings to be found anywhere on the medal, suspension ring or else ?

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Hi Marcus,

Nice to see some of your Belgian baby's. About the Military medals as you call them i can already tell you the following :

1) the one with the lion on the reverse is the post 1952 type.

2) the one with the "A" monogram is to date between 1919 and 1934

Can you give us close ups on the centers (both front and reverse?), this can help in identifying them further.

Otehrwise i can only encourage you to obtain the following publication found on the following link (dealing in great detail with this award) :

http://www.skf-vzw.org/nederlands/index2.html

Go towards the publicaties/publication tab

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Hi hendrik,

Nice to see you over here => hopefully we can get a tommorow + looking forward towards the theme that you will present !!!

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Hello Joe,

Thank you for the reply, i also tought of the "SW" but then the "S" is almost completely gone. As far as i see it now this could be :

1) SW, but the S was so badly struck that it does not appear

2) W

3) M

Wich one is most likly?, it is always fun to think about these things and its part of the collecting fun (even iff the piece does not bring on any new things and keeps his secrets for a wile )

Any more opinions on the maker mark?

Thanks in advance

Hi Rick,

Indeed => it is a very evil and nasty virus for sure

Any idea on who made this one ?

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Hi Dave,

Thank you for the information , any idea on who the clasp could have produced?, it is a unmarked piece but mayby it bears the characteristics of a known maker?

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Hello jacques,

Thanks for sharing this magnificent piece. This is indeed (as far as i am concerned) the Walhalla for the advanced Heer collector. A very rare and hard earned award.

Just wonderfull => wisch i had on of those

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Hello,

And finally the makers mark thats on the ring of the EK 2

Cordial greetings and thanks in advance for the opinions

Hello,

Here is a close up from the small birdie thats sitting on the ribbon

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