Stijn David

Hello,

Thank you for the reply's, i find it rather interesting to see that the publications in that area have used another name (D grade). As off for the Alphabetical order it was the correct name. A, B, C & D

Are there images to be found in that publication or any statistics named ?

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

Thank you for the reply's and interest in this subject. Really nice.

" Guys,since I looked up the fourth in different books and couldn?t find a standard name for it,I searched my original books and found this....

The 4th badge is not a C or silver C,it is a D.I add pics of the booklet I took this info from,on the second you can see also the requirements for the "Leistungsabzeichen D".... "

@ Rosenberg: that is some very nice information, from when is that publication?, untill now i never heard of the "Lesitungsabzeichen D". Iff one does talk with Glider veterans or modern glider pilots one is always talking about the Silver C. (because the silver boarder).

Iff one is lucky enough to find a Wehrpass or Soldbuch then one can find anotehr array of names , it is a very interesting subject after all. Then again iff we do look at the original award document from these it is called " Leistungs - Segelfliegerabzeichen "

check out this thread: where a original document for such one is shown : http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3523

I do assume that the award document has the correct name and that the book has a typo?

@ Rick: indeed, no numbers at the back

Probably these where numbered when awarded, on the other hand as it is a sales board from S & L and it is known that other company's where also producing these (for example: Deumer - Ludenscheid, Bonner Fahnenfabrik, etc ... ) it is unclear wich ones where officially awarded? all mixed up as bought from the I.S.T.U.S. at those different producers?

I have such a example (silver C) from a glider veteran and he does confirm me that he bought such a silver C (have it in the collection) as a replacement for his original lost (awarded) piece. The confirmation does exist that this type of silver C is a replacement type.

Rest assured, this one will survive complete as it is

Cordial greetings

ps: more to follow ...

hi Paul,

The badge you referr towards is the so called "Silver C" or in German; Silbernes Leistungsabzeichen f?r Segelflug.

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

Thank you for forgetting this one => that gave me certainly the chance to obtain this one.

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Hello,

And here is a close up from the maker mark of the S & L company as found on the sample board.

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Hello,

Here is a piece i have long been looking for, a original sample board from the company of Steinhauer & Luck.

This pieces was offered on ebay (yes sometimes some good and nice items do surface !! ) and arrived today at my house. I am quite happy with it.

The board does have the following awards attached:

* A glider profiency badge (1 gull)

* B glider profiency badge (2 gull's)

* C glider profiency badge (3 gull's)

=> the above described are the lower part, all with button faster device and the marked " O " on the reverse.

* Silver C glider profiency badge ( 3 gulls in a silver wreath) / full size

And then a array of mini's. All badges are in mint condition and have no enamel damage etc ...

Anyone ever seen such a sampleboard for glider badges ?

Cordial greetings and thanks for looking,

Hello,

Very nice thread - keep this nice thread going.

@ Hendrik : about "the 'Croce Commemorativa del Corpo di Spedizione Italiano di Russia' (Italian Expeditionary Corps in Russia Commemorative Cross). ", there was a good article in one of the recent BDOS magazines about these. Interested in it? , I can otehrwise bring that certain article with me for you at the next SKF meeting

Cordial greetings,

Hi Sal,

As said before, love the effort

Here is my small contribution, you have probably seen it already

Cordial greetings,

ps: How are the lists filling up in numbers ?

Hello,

Is there anyone who did ever see the maker mark : MFP on a tinny or other badge ? imperial or Weimar period?

- Iff yes could you show it?

- for who does it stand for?

I have heard that it would be in relationship towards the former city of Posen (today = Poznan). That would declare the P ind the maker mark MFP.

Iff the assumption of Posen is correct, is there anyone of the Imeperial guys who has a old telefonbook or add. list for the Posen area?, that might help also when looking ? Most probably looking after a needle in a haystack but always worth the try.

All information is welcome.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4679e

Hello,

Is there anyone who did ever see the maker mark : MFP on a tinny or other badge ?

- Iff yes could you show it?

- for who does it stand for?

I have heard that it would be in relationship towards the former city of Posen (today = Poznan). That would declare the P ind the maker mark MFP. All help is welcome.

All information is welcome.

Hello,

Here is another one from the small collection, a wound badge document for a glider pilot involved in the fighting in Tunesia during early 1943.

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

@ Simon : " Signed by Erich Z?hr, RK, DKiG. " => exactly !!!!!

And funny thing on Major Erich Z?hr is => he never seemed to have received the Honour Goblet ?

DKiG : 19.03.1942 - as a Hauptmann

KC : 23.12.1942 - as a Major

The KC was awarded for the efforts of the KGzbV 172 in Russia during the hard winter months january towards mid 1942.

And now lets break our heads over the unit mix up

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

No interest anymore in thinking a bit ?

To add a bit towards the thinking, who's signature can e found on the wound badge document?

Cordial greetings,

Christopher Shores wrote a book several years ago called "Fighters Over Tunesia" I have a copy of it but it is currently burried in my storage room till I can get my library built or i would look it up for you. You can find the book for sale but the cost is very high. I paid 250 USD for mine about 5 years ago.

Gary

Hello Garry,

Thank you for the tip, i would highly appreciate it when you find the book iff you can look the date up.

I would like to share the info towards the German veteran who was along the capture from the Bitisch pilot in Tunesia. Hopefully we are able to find some info (needle in a haystack ?) as my friend the veteran is 89 years old and in rather bad health.

Here is a remambrance piece (piece of parachute silk from the Britisch pilot) that the German vet. kept all these years after the war. I do not take the line "Neffew from Churchill" very serious but all other ino is correct and relevant.

Cordial greetings and thanks for looking,

Hello,

Here is another unit specifyed one, namely from the KGzbV 172. Altough his unit was KGzbV 1

Riddle .......... (do you know the answer why this is ???????? ........... I know but lets think a bit )

The recipient was a Bordmechanic who was wounded while inside the "Cholm" pocket.

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

Please post in this thread all kind of variants for the award document from the Luftwaffe Erdkampf Abzeichen.

I have found and seen a rather large difference in these documents and so far we have not seen many appear over here.

Let me kick of with a very nice one (IMHO ), this document is actually size : DIN A4 and is a so called "Frontfertigung". This document is from a former Glider pilot (who did receive his first points to earn this award in the Cholm encerclement, etc ... ) .

I have only encountered this type with another glider pilot from the very same unit, at that time :

3. Go. / Schleppgruppe 2

feel free to post

Hi Rick,

Thank you very much for the help on these. Are there award numbers known for both of the House orders?

Can this person be identifyed or is this simply impossible?

Cordial greetings,

Hello,

And here is a close up.

All info is welcome

Hello,

Here is a painting from a dear friend of mine, he is more interested in the painting technique but for me the orders and ribbons are more of interest offcoarse.

Can you guys help me to ID the awards? I do know the Iron Cross 1 e class and the ribbon for the second class, but especially the neck cross and blue ribbon are of interest.

Me think in the direction off Lippe-Detmold or something similar .

All info on the painitng, uniform, etc ... are equally welcome.

Looking forward towards you guys replys.

Greetings,

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the advice, i have been looking at the reffered thread and have not found a satisfactionary answer in it.

Oh well im just as happy, to blob or not ...

Cordial greetings

ps: have been looking again at the near mint crosses from both Darrel & Terryn superior pieces

Hello,

Thank you both gentlemen for the replys. I think it is rather a blob instead of a paint blob. A paint blob could easely have been removed IMHO during the manufacturing proces.

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Hello Mike,

Nice to see you also arround here . That is indeed a very attractive Krimshield document. Thanks for sharing that one. It always seems to me that there exist a load off different Krim variants (also quite logical when thinkning about the number of awards).

Cordial greetings,

ps: Walle, feel free to post the EK 2 document in the appropriate thread, always nice to see a few more

Hello,

And here is a enlargement of the date => note the blob.

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Hello,

I have obtained a unmarked W?chtler & Lange iron cross 2 nd. class. No maker mark whatsoever, the cross has the back painting on the core almost 95 % retained.

I noticed however on the frontdate "1939 " a major blob between the 1 & 9. Has anyone else noticed this?, could this be due to die that has become damaged at some point?

All opinions are welcome

Cordial greetings,

Hi,

It depends but i do think we can know it for sure. hwoever then we need a bit of your help with dates Chris

Do you have a idea on when he won his awards during WWII (such as clasps towards the iron cross, etc .. ), this can be the clue. let me explain a bit.

It was common practice before the institution of the large NSFK glider badge to wear a bullion version of the Silver C badge. After institution of the Large NSFK badge it was one of the award criteria (bedingungsgruppe II) that holders of the Silver C where eligible to receive the large NSFK badge. So here is the clue IMHO.

Iff you can date the picture better then we might have the answers.

Cordial greetings,