IrishGunner

Horsing around? That's extreme concentration to be ready to fire the next round!

New Yorkers and mustard-based BBQ sauce?

You see, here's the problem. Mustard is mustard. Not BBQ sauce.

Mustard and pastrami. Not pulled pork. Mustard and a hot dog. Not brisket. Mustard (German only) and a bratwurst. Not ribs. Mustard has no place anywhere near BBQ. Hell, that bright yellow stuff you use in SC is barely even mustard. Leave it in New York (or Milwaukee).

We need to start a BBQ thread and rescue your carbine!

Here's the citation: dated Jan '44 - seems to be for "everything"

Awarded for actions during the World War II:

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of
Congress, July 9, 1918, takes pleasure in presenting the Distinguished
Service Cross to Lieutenant General Vasilii Ivanovich Chuikov, Army of
the U.S.S.R., for extraordinary heroism in connection with military
operations against an armed enemy, in action against our common enemy,
Germany, in World War II. Lieutenant General Chuikov's outstanding
accomplishments, personal bravery and zealous devotion to duty exemplify
the highest traditions of the Armed Forces of the Allied Nations.

General Orders: War Department, General Orders No. 3 (January 6, 1944)

Action Date: World War II

Service: Foreign

Rank: Lieutenant General

http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=22856

Since there is not a Franco-Prussian War forum, I thought I'd put this here...

This was from today's online edition of the UK's Guardian; this day in military history:

"On 28 January 1871 Paris surrendered to the Prussians ending the Franco-Prussian war. Paris, under siege for over four months, had been heavily bombarded. This photograph, with the Arc de Triomphe in the distance, shows the destruction along the Champs-Elysees. The exact date is unknown, but it is thought to have been taken during the Paris Commune in March 1871."

one should be careful of looking at events with a hindsight which the protoagonists of the time did not possess.

Isn't that what "historical research" is all about?

Hello:

I believe the white uniform shown here was called "Drillich" and was called that in white and grey/green colors into WW II .

Luftwaffe ground crews wore black.

Bernhard H. Holst

Thanks Bernhard - that makes sense; I had seen them called "drill uniforms" somewhere, but couldn't remember.

An Unteroffizier from 1.Thüringisches Feld-Artillerie-Regiment Nr.19; feldgrau shoulder strap shows bomb and number. Anyone able to read the name?

Edited to add update from Chip: "I think the name is Kurt Felzer and he is from the 2.Sächsisches Fußartillerie Rgt. Nr. 19. Notice the Saxon shaped shoulder straps."

A pre-war rekrutenzeit photo of Kgl. Sächs. 1. Feld-Artillerie-Regiment Nr.12 with dunkelblau; the regimental cypher is easily seen under magnification. Great Sachsen pickelhaube.

Anyone know what the white duty fatigue uniform was called?

I think the proper name for that unpleasantness is

The War of American Obssession.

Shall we discuss Canada's war obssession... AKA "We won the War of 1812!" :lol: :lol:

"There is no such thing as "good" BBQ north of the Carolinas."

ROTFLMAO. You ain't lying. But we might have to go to war again, if you don't agree that SC Piedmont-style mustard-vinegar-pepper based sauce on pulled pork isn't the World's Finest.

...I'm guessing our European brethren are absolutely mystified by our back-and-forth, Irish.

Well, you win. I'm going to sign off and have some supper. Shrimp and grits tonight, Charleston style.

Keep your powder dry... 'cause when I'm in SC... I eat my pork naked! Mustard is for New Yorkers! I prefer a NC or KC style sauce.

"But when northerners and southerners poke each other today - it's "good natured" for the most part."

Cheers to you, my friend. Not many countries can say that about their "differences."

“Thus ended the great American Civil War, which must upon the whole be considered the noblest and least avoidable of all the great mass conflicts of which till then there was record.”

-Winston Churchill

One thing I will concede. There is no such thing as "good" BBQ north of the Carolinas.

"How many Union prisoners decided to "switch sides" and fight for the Confederacy?"

About 300, from Andersonville (Camp Sumter).

But good for you. Excellent riposte. We're all Americans, after all. The US Civil War made an "us" of the U.S.

I love the story about the reunion of Confederate and Union veterans at the Battle of Gettysburg re-enactment of 1912. When the old surviors of the Army of Northern Virginia walked from the woods in front of Emmittsburg Road, the Yankees of the Grand Army of the Republic at the top of Cemetary Ridge erupted in cheers, and ran down the slope to embrace their former enemies.

Only in America, my friend.

Good points. Not many civil wars resulted in scenes like this afterwards. Reconstruction and the post-war period were still difficult - there was a lot to rebuild, repair, and reconcile - physically and psychologically. But when northerners and southerners poke each other today - it's "good natured" for the most part.

For all intents and purposes, I left my hometown of Williamsport, PA when I was 18. I recall a few veterans' memorials growing up, but they were just "things" around town. In September of last year my mother died and I had a few days to wander alone around my hometown - and I came upon what is now called the Lycoming County Veterans Memorial Park. Williamsport is the government seat of Lycoming County - this park did not exist when I was growing up... It opened around 1998 I think and has eight monuments honoring those who made the ultimate sacrifice during each of the major wars in the 20th century and beyond. There is a particular WW2 flavor, with a propellor and torpedo from the WW2 sub USS Torsk in addition to the monuments for each war. And a M60A3 tank. Here is the WWI monument...

I've been thinking about threads that would be interesting as we edge closer to the 100th Anniversary of the outbreak of The War to End All Wars. Of course, there are the solemn and impressive memorials on the battlefields themselves like the Menin Gate or even the Cenotaph in London. Traveling around Europe, I recall seeing simple monuments in many villages to the hometown "heroes" - the fallen and veteran sons of the village. There are a couple websites that record these monuments across the UK and Germany. While perhaps not as prolific as Europe, these monuments also exist in the US - and I suspect in Canada as well.

So, let's post photos of the WWI monuments in your hometown...and preserve another virtual monument to the soldiers of the Great War.

Don't think they needed the Lord's Prayer during the maneuvers. ; ) I know there is a different one out there and if my memory doesn't fail me, it has an orange and black ribbon. I hope someone has one to share.

Well, with Colonel Patton running all over Louisiana and over his "opposition" I'm sure there was a lot of praying...

“Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.”

From the chief historian at the Fredericksburg battlefield. But don't take me seriously. I'm naturally biased, being a "tongue-in-cheek" unreconstructed secessionist from Charleston, SC.

"...to bolster his election chances in Pennsylvania, Lincoln approved 1,750 more Confederate recruits, enough to form two more regiments, to be sent to the frontier to fight American Indians. Due to doubts about their ultimate loyalty, galvanized Yankees in federal service were generally assigned to garrison forts far from the Civil War battlefields or in action against Indians in the west."

"Whitewashed" rebels were the turncoat ones who fought in the East.

-Ralph "Rhett Butler" Abercrombie

http://www.nps.gov/jeff/historyculture/upload/galvanized_yankees.pdf

"Due to doubts about their ultimate loyalty"

There should have been no doubt. Rebels and traitors to both causes. I suspect their "ultimate loyalty" was to their own stinking skin and nothing more. It would be interesting to see how many "distinguished" themselves on the frontier - or simply deserted.

I take it you are a dam-yankee...

Pirates, Orioles, or Red Sox... But never a Damn Yankee.

Out of curiosity... How many Union prisoners decided to "switch sides" and fight for the Confederacy? Rhetorical question... Not many survived Andersonville to even contemplate the choice.

I think it was a pre retirement present... He was getting on in age by then

Still pretty bad a** though.

"So, why this rifle as your wall hanger? Just what came along or something more meaningful?"

I'm not a serious collector of US Civil War memorabilia. Why grab up something from bona-fide collectors who need the best stuff for their collections?

Actually, I mean why not something more along the lines of your collecting interests since Civil War isn't your gig?

Here are some details. By the way, when I visit the Fredericksburg National Battlefield Cemetary, and see the Yankee tombstones, I don't see so much a memorial to Union bravery as I do a monument to Southern marksmanship. ... ohhh, than was bad. Sorry.

Actually, a monument to lunatic Union commanders... The rebels didn't even need to aim. I think the Brit commanders at Paschendale must have studied Fredericksburg.

Galvanized Yankee

A Confederate rebel who turned his coat a second time - joining the Union Army after becoming a prisoner

So, why this rifle as your wall hanger? Just what came along or something more meaningful?

Here's one, but it's NOT the one I remember as it was suspended from a ribbon rather than this style, which is reminiscent of a state Mexican Border War commemorative medal.

Very interesting that the Lord's Prayer is on the reverse... Thanks for posting!

Actually, Chuikov served as the Chief of the Civil Defence of the USSR from 1961 until his retirement in 1972.

Well, it makes sense then... I knew he was Commander Soviet Group of Forces Germany and later Chief of Soviet Ground Forces, but not the Civil Defense. Was that considered a "promotion"? Or exile?

Nice thread. I've seen at least one manouvers medal over the years. Can anyone upload that for all to see? : )

There is a Louisiana Maneuver medal? A period commemorative? Or some modern souvenir?

Thanks for the replies.

Some nice close up pictures here, for those interested:

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m56spat.html

larry

Yea, those close ups are necessary for you modelers. I can barely shape a meatball let alone a model.

I guess the Russian civil defense agency chose Chuikov because of Stalingrad? Seems odd to me...but okay.