Josef Rietveld

as addition, the A stands for any edelmetall (noble metall, silver gold). but it was punched at the hauptm?nzamt which was located in vienna. so vienna seems to be ok aswell

haynau

Haynau you are absolutely spot on brief biographical details available on Wikpedia.

Paul

Sometimes i use wikipedia, but this archiduke was investigated purely by using the 1904 Milit?rschematismus

haynau

For Turkey the war wasn't over in 1919.

Don't forget the T?rkischer Befreiungskrieg (1919-1923) or War of Independence. So Wartime awards maybe humanitarian could fit for this bar.

BTW the leaves are't that rare.

haynau

I believe the leaves signify that it was a wartime award (or a war service related Red Cross award) rather than a peacetime issue.

Regards,

Paul

As Paul wrote the leaves stand for awards in times of war. at least my literature (Pride and Privilege) says that.

haynau

1st of all Isaid THEORETICALLY

2nd, this household medal is the Alexander I. Type so post-1918, he was assasinated in 1934 in France as far as i know and was king of the SHS-State from 1921-1934. This medal was given to foreigners aswell. It is very implausible but it could be.

my personal favorites for this bar i wrote before

haynau

My favorites are: Iron Merit Cross with Crown or a bravery medal

theoretically it could have been a serbian royal household medal, then it would fit with the last position.

haynau

@TerryG

congratulations, it is a very intersting picture because the soldier wears a clasp on his EK2 ? -Ribbon. this turkish clasps a very seldom seen on contemporary pictures.

haynau

F?herczeg = Archiduke = Erzherzog

So this picture shows General Archiduke Joseph (Carl Ludwig) 1833-1905, Son of Archiduke Joseph Anton Johann 1776-1847 and Maria Dorothea of W?rttember (1819-1855) as far as i know.

haynau

reverse, sorry for the 2 posts but i'am unable to put 2 pictures in one posting

haynau

My favorite. Austrian Bravery Medal in Silver. This type was only issued from 1805-1810

haynau

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@Veteran

I own two cased Medjidie GO-Sets. One is the standard type (case in red velvet), the other ones caes is of dark-brown leather as the case you showed here.

The stars measure 75 and 85 mm, the larger one looks like your star with sabers.

There are some differences between the two sets appart the shape and the dimension of the star.

The large star has ONLY the imperial mintmark on the reverse.

The standard-star (75mm) shows ALL usual marks: tremolier-line (zigzagline), shahmark (looks like an E stands for purity) punched avers and reverse (see pictures)

there is also difference between the neckdeckorations. I took Photos of the two commanders and the 1st Class badge with Sabers (in fact a commanders cross aswell). Two of the crosses show a rare variant backise I use to lionspaw for the special shape of the crosses arms.

IMHO the enamelquality of this the pieces without shahmark is better than the standard-pieces.

If there is any reason for the differences (foreign production, special production in the mint, special manufacturer) i don't know.

haynau

I only have his decorations by 31st December 1918 as he commandes the 5th ID

Leopoldorder, Commander with KD and Swords

MVK 2nd Class with KD and Swords

Order of the Iron Crown 2nd Class with KD and Swords

Lepold 3rd Class with KD and Swords

Iron Crown 3rd Class with KD and Swords

MVK 3rd Class

Dienstzeichen f?r Offiziere 3rd Class

1908 Cross

1898 Medal

Mobilisierungskreuz

haynau

Congrats Veteran, beautifull set

Normally the breast stars for the second class (Grandofficer) had a diameter of 75 or 85 mm. As far as i know the stars for the GC (1st class) had a diameter of 90, 95 and some even 100 mm. I add a picture of my GC-Star wit Sabers (100 mm).

I know a GC-star dating from arround 1860 who had 110 mm diameter !!!

The star you are showing looks like an GC-Star. There is also a difference in design beetween GC and GO-Stars.

As written before the sabers (for medjidie and osmanie) were added in 1915. I have NO evidence, at least no evidence based on original turkish sources, what where the modalities of awarding sabers.

haynau

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We are missing the box and the document aswell.

haynau

Grand Duchy Tuscany Civil Merit Order,

any hallmarks?, the have been produced in austria-hungary till 1918.

@veteran, thanks for showing, also for showing the breathtaking early austrian leopold-order last week.

you must have a interesting collection

haynau

@Enzo

thanks for showing what a unique combination.

The Name Woinovic i read before. Did this group came from Carinthia?

Maybe then i have something that belonged to the same family.

Look here

This came from Carinthia aswell. They sold family papers and bef?rderungsurkunden that belonged to the woinovic-family

Feldmarschall-Leutnant Maximillian Freiherr von Reisingers daughter Elisa (1824-1852) married Johann von Woinovic, k.k. General-Major und Festungskommandant zu Legnano. After her death in 1852 Woinovic married Antonie another Reisinger-daughter.

Funny, isn't it

haynau

Hi Demir, nice set

Did you buy it on ebay germany? i remember a set sold there with a similar box. the seller described the box as collectors copy. was that the set you are showing us?

regards

haynau

Joseph Pomiankowski, Feldmarschallleutnant, from 1909 to 1918 in turkey, from 1914/15 on austrian-hungarian Milit?rbevollm?chtigter.

Yes EM, who served in imperial tureky got the Iron Crescent after 1915 aswell. quiet often BTW as the iron crescent was the lowest turkish decoration

haynau

Sorry, i don't like it. the ribbons look very fresh, the backside has this grey backing like the dozens of newmade bars that appear frequently on ebay. Mostly a mix from austrian and german decoration with sometimes a little bit of exotic touch (japan, siam, spain, etc.)

just my two cents

haynau

as addition: the locket always indicates a real gold piece

haynau

You're right about the Marine Infanterie one.

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Medjidie (can't tell class-- must have Sabers)

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Why, the turkish sword system is different to the german and austrian modus vivendi, Swords on turkish orders (medjidie, osmanie) indicate as far as i know a second award of the decoration in

times of war.

Unfortunately dozens of german officers didn't realize that and went to their jewellers to put swords on their turkish orders

haynau