Dolf

If it is given by the Ministry of Defence, then it is not really an unofficial medal, is it?

That's what I'd think (at least that's the case in Russia where only those given by vet associations or political organisations are considered unofficial), but apparently, if I do understand it right, only those given by the President would be considered official!

Just forwarding what I was told!

Dolf

PS: Maybe it's just been given within the staff of the Ministry of Defense, reason why I was told it's unofficial!

Anyway, now what really makes me curious is why two "variations" (?) of the 2nd Class!

Avarga means Champion

Thanks Jan.

So Army Champion of the 6th Sports meeting could make sense!?...

Dolf

Ok, some fresh news about this one.

It seems it's a new unofficial Medal, apparently given by the Ministry of Defense.

The name: "The Glory of Soldier".

This is no replacement for any other Medal, just a new one. The Honorary Medal of Combat as we know it, is still given by the President.

Dolf

Would guess this is for someone's "VI Spartikad", 6th sports meet. There are a lot of these "Spartikad" badges in Battushig and maybe ten times that number "still in the wild". I can make no sense at present out of the suspension legend. Something to do with the military??

I still need to find a good Mongolian dictionary!

Thanks Ed.

If it has to do with Sports, then maybe some military competion!

Dolf

I've had this one for a long time.

Anyway, one more NIB to add to the list.

I believe it's written in Russian, or at least in Cyrilic.

As far as I can tell, on the suspension I think it says: ARMIIN AWARGA . On the Medal itself, above the VI I suppose it says: SLARTAKIAD. Btw, I have not the slightest idea what this would mean!

Would this make any sense?! Could someone help and translate this?

Thanks,

Dolf

And finally the 1st Class I bought recently.

This one follows the usual pattern, with the golden color circle around the blue centre.

Some time ago I was told this is the new Medal replacing the old Honorary Medal of Combat (A 37), but as Combat is something Mongolia hasn't seen for decades, I wonder if instead this wouldn't be a kind of Military Merit or Valor Medal.

Btw, all of them have the same reverse as the one shown on this pic of the 1st Class one.

Dolf

Now watch the other 2nd Class I have.

See the difference?!

Any opinions gentlemen? Why this difference?!

This is the only one I've seen with blue enamel where all the others have the usual golden metal color!

Dolf

Well, just to add a bit to the confusion, here are a couple of pics of some of mine.

I have a 3rd Class like the one Ed post (except on mine there is a chip on the blue enamel) and I have two 2nd Class and just bought one 1st Class.

Here is one of the 2nd Class I have:

Dolf

The "blank" reverse on that one has a ghost image of the letters from the center obverse as if this was stamped twice-- and turned over!

It will be interesting to see if this was a "Bad Monday" production batch at this serial number range or one that is literally unique!

Oh... I recognise that one...

I'm happy it found a new loving home

Dolf

Nice , these earlier ones seem to be much better in quality. Were the early ones soviet made?

Gerd,

Not sure where they were made

Anyway, on that Ed & Jan list of Types & Variations posted on this same thread it seems that from T1V1 to T2V2 they were made of silver.

Those two we were comparing before (T2V3; as well as T2V4) seem to be made of brass and then silver plated.

Dolf

Same, reverse:

Dolf

No, Dolf, i disagree, yours is in so bad condition, you should throw it in the trash can... but in my trash can

Gerd

Gerd,

Ok, check your trash can tomorrow

Btw, I forgot to post this other one I also have, but I forgot about it because it's not on the main Display but on a smaller Docs display.

Another T1V1, with N? before the S/N.

Obverse:

Dolf

Dolf, i have noticed some differences though. Look for example at the areas, i have marked. Mine has less wear but there are bigger differences than what could have been caused by wear.

Here is a comparison:

Hi Gerd,

Yes, I see! Funny!

Btw, yours is the one on the right, mine on the left, right?

Yours has less wear? I'd say the contrary

It seems mine still has a larger percentage of the silver plate remaining, no?... Watch the horse and the soldier, on yours the silver plate is almost all gone it seems. And also those areas you marked.

Hey, both are still very nice Medals

Just my eyes opinion

Dolf

Dolf, our medals come from the same batch, 24 numbers difference, obviously the same engraver:

Gerd,

Yes, I noticed earlier when you posted it that the S/Ns were close but then didn't double check.

Right, probably the same hands worked on both

Dolf

Dolf,

I doesn't suprise me that he would not agree to personally exchanging money for the medals.

The medals look good to me though, but as you say, anyone can come up with pictures.

Would he agree to an escrow account? That can work with questionable transactions if the seller would agree. I don't think that he would though.

I know, I got burned for a good sum of money for a HSL that I purchased from Latvia and never received.

I think that Rusty knows about that guy.

BTW, Rusty, what do you think about this guy in Austria?

Well, no bids and two days to go.

Also, one of the Lenins has 666 in the serial number and that particular number has a special meaning for some.

Alanirvine

Alan,

The Medals look apparently good to me too, but as I said that doesn't mean too much! He could have picked the pics in some Russian Forum for example!...

It's the only payment method he accepts that makes me suspicious, specially being a seller from that part of the World. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against those good people but as you say there have been plenty of buyers burned on eBay by dealers from those countries... in fact he is registered in Belarus, only the awards would be in Austria!

As for no bids and only ywo days to go... well I have myself quite a few items on eBay on the same circumstances, so...

Yes, the 666 is the anti-christ number, according to some...

Dolf

Dolf,

Thank You!! I'll check with him.

Doc

You welcome, Doc

Dolf

So I guess I'm missing two (so far, as long as another sub-sub-sub-varaitions isn't observed ) in order to have a complete set of all Types and Variations, one real A 37.4, with that funny reverse, and one T2V1...

Dolf

Same, reverse:

Dolf

One I'd call A 37.5 as A 37.4 has a different reverse of mine. A T2V4.

Obverse:

Dolf

One A 37.3, or a T2V3.

Obverse and Reverse:

Dolf

Same, reverse:

Dolf

One A 37.2; A T2V2? I guess.

Obverse:

Dolf

One A 37.1, or a T1V2.

Obverse and Reverse:

Dolf

Same, reverse:

Dolf

Here is what I'd call A 37.0 (Dr. Battushig doesn't have a pic of one of these with the N? before the S/N), or according to Jan's and Ed's Types & Variations this one should be a T1V1 (but not exactly a A 37.1, as that one doesn't have the N? before the S/N).

Obverse:

Dolf