Dolf

Thanks for trying to help Dolf, but it was in fact the mirror reverse ones I was hoping to see.

Jan mentioned that the first of the three, #1236 was a solid silver mirror reverse badge. I was hoping to see something that would distinguish it from the others but there isn't anything obvious that I can see...

The mystery continues.

JC

Sorry, I guess I missed that detail you mention on Jan's post and misunderstood the whole thing, as you were showing and talking about your different flatback types/variations!

As for solid silver and silverplated variations I confess I was never able to really detect the differences between them either!

Dolf

Posted my docs here

And here are the reverses of the distinguished herder badges

Jan,

I believe fjcp was asking for the reverses of flatback herder Badges, not the mirror-reverse type.

Jan could you please post some pictures of the reverse?

Dolf

My point precisely!

Right. I was just expressing my full agreement

Dolf

Looks "fixed" to me. There are worse fixed awards on these threads. much as one might "fix" their dog?

When the central device fails and fall off, have the local "craftsman" (term used loosely?) repair?

Ed,

With the central medallion with the coat of arms completely off center as visible on the obverse pic, and the resoldered rivets as visible on the reverse pic, I suppose it's obvious it was fixed by the local craftsman.

Dolf

Wow.. $800 is an awful lot for one of these late styles...

It was the 1st one of these showing up on eBay, and I'd bet the guy who bought it most probably didn't know it was this new brass type, as there was no mention of that on the description...

Dolf

USAirforce,

There are similar brass versions for the Polar Star, Military Valour, and also the Red Combat Banner I believe.

Exactly. These new brass types exist since 2003/2004 for most Mongolian Orders.

Listed on Dr. Battushig's book, respectively (following Matt's list) as: A 32.4 + A 30.2 + A 24.2. It also exists for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, listed as A 28.2.

The only one that is not listed on Dr. Battushig's book is this new Order of Sukhbaatar, but this new brass type also exists for this Order.

The first one I saw sold on ebay for $800 if memory serves me.

Yes, you're right Ron.

Dolf

Yes, that one in particular IS real anyway, I'm the guy who took the pics which you probably downloaded from eBay.

As for the quality if compared with the older S-B, Ed's reply explains all the rest pretty well.

Dolf

I actullay got about 25 mongolian medals and orders for selling some of items. So it was a very good deal for me.

Ron,

Wow! So it was even a much better deal than I thought!

These Friendship Medals are not among the easiest to find and they are certainly not among the cheap Medals either!

Best,

Dolf

Dear Guy,

You got me convinced

I'm certainly buying that Catalogue.

Btw, is this pic from that Catalogue? Wow!

Many thanks for helping a guy living here know a few more things about it here that I just didn't know

Dolf

Thanks for the clarification, Rick.

Dolf

I got in lieu of selling some medals for someone else, so I really got it for free kind of

Ron,

Excellent deal

Dolf

They are both FAKE.

Rusty,

Yes, they both look fake to me too, but in my case it's more like a feeling I can hardly explain, apart the fact they have some resemblances with those Kapral ones.

Can you please elaborate a little bit on the signs for the verdict?

Thanks buddy,

Dolf

Here is the one I was offered.

Dolf

PS: Well, if the Order of the Rose of Brasil is one of the nicest in the World, where would we place this one?...

on this link You can see the three knight orders of king Albert I of Belgium exposed in the Royal Army Museum Brussels

WOW!WOW!WOW!!

I believe it's called The Band of the Three Orders (Aviz, Christ and Santiago of the Sword).

An absolutely marvellous piece!

Some time ago I was offered one (the Grand Collar, including the breast Star), but too much for my wallet!

Dolf

PS: btw, check it here:

http://www.ordens.presidencia.pt/banda_3_ordens_insignia.htm

and here you can see the Order of the Tower and the Sword Of king Albert I of Belgium exposed in the Royal Army Museum in Brussels

Guy,

Thanks for the link!

Beautiful pieces indeed!

Wow! A Grand Collar and a breast Star!

Dolf

It is indeed very possibly THE most beautiful Order in the world! Several of our members may even HAVE grades of this order (hint hint).

Some Indian decorations are in the same aesthetic class as the Rose, but it's a short list.

Funny how a design this old is still appealing in our new century!

Rick,

Wow, it would be nice to see pics of those other grades of this Order...

I've learned some time ago that some awards from other countries (not 100% sure but I think the ones I saw are from Ethiopia or so) are (at least partially) actually made here!

The designs of that period still remain (imho) among the nicest ever made! Well, personally I also love the Soviet and Mongolian period ones, but I guess that's for other reasons...

Dolf

Dear Dolf,

In the Palace d'Ajuda it is not exposed to public, but you can see it in the catalog "Royal Treasures" 1992 given out by the palace, I bought it in the Museum shop of the Palace, 2 years ago, you will find all orders of the Royal Famelly in it who are still part of the collection of the Palace d'Ajuda

Guy

Guy,

Thanks a lot for the info.

Funny, a familly member worked in the administration there for years, I don't live that far from the Palace, and I get the info from... Belgium...

I guess I'm definetely not an outdoors guy!

Dolf

Nice piece indeed!

Funny, it has quite a lot of resemblances with both the Portuguese Order of the Tower and the Sword (the overall design), and the Portuguese Order of Our Lady of Vila Vi?osa (mainly the central medallion), both posted on this thread here:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5643

g_deploige, there is one of these Order of the Rose in the Pal?cio Nacional da Ajuda in Lisbon?! Wow, definetely have to have a look!

Dolf

Thanks Gents...What would the value of this award be..? I don't collect Mongolian awards, and i would like to sell this....

As usual it depends where you buy it.

There's a dealer selling these for $8.00, another for $30.00... on eBay you can find them for $10.00 to $15.00...

Hope it helps.

Dolf

Also often called the "We Won" Medal.

Dolf

Hi Rick,

Oh! Not the person I was thinking?! I always thought that it was him!

Yeah, the "Mark of The Beast"

I believe I've it in one of my pieces that I might have posted here somewhere as well, anyway as long as it's not on a guy's head (guess I saw that on a movie ) no problem... he!he!he!...

Dolf

PS: Ok, I found my own piece with a "666" in the S/N. Here, Post 15 :

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7899

Rick,

Did you notice who is the higher bidder right now?

Anyway, the one with that S/N seems to be the ORB of Labor. Guess he might have made an error on the description.

Dolf

thanks Dolf. You know, I think I've heard that slogan before.

No problem, you welcome

He!he!... Most definetely

Dolf

Those are beautiful. Here is a basic newbie question:

What is the literal translation in English of the inscription on the Red Banner?

Chris

According to PMD's Guide: "Workers of the World unite".

Dolf

Very nice Medals, Douglas! Thanks for posting them.

Dolf