Dolf

Beautiful collection, Ed!

Not really being a Group's guy I specially love those pieces from posts #15, #16 and #17, whith #16 being definetely my favorite!!! Absolutely marvellous piece!!!

Dolf

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I will say, in Liverpool?s defense, that they are not expert when it comes to Soviet awards and should stay away from them.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

Wild Card,

I agree 100% with you on that one!

I've occasionally bought some stuff from them, but in most cases not Soviet awards! And certainly not Groups! In fact I guess I've only got one or two single Soviet pieces from them. It's obvious (starting with the way they most of the time wrongly describe them!) they know nothing about this kind of awards! The usual lack of good pictures is also very annoying

Dolf

Dolf,

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I have some interesting stories though. I once purchased OGPW # 10,724 shown on PMD book, page 148, same guy I purchased the Motherland, l, ll, & lll from. I did get my money back from him.

The OGPW might be famous, just because it has been around so much.

Alan

Alan,

Sending you a PM about this.

Dolf

Dolf,

Yeah, but the group is much more interesting and I have numerous singles of the same medals.

Yet, I shouldn't complain, it could have been worse and the medals could have been fake! I have a couple of those.

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Alan

Alan,

Yeah, I know what you mean, it would be much more interesting if the Group was a real one, but as you say the awards could be fake too so after all it was a good (financially speaking) purchase, in the sense that if you decide to resell the Medals now you may still recover enough money to buy yourself a nice real Group, or at least help pay part of it

Now, I can also imagine how disappointed one must feel after having an alledged Group for years and finding now that in fact it was a fake group with a fake doc!

Arghhh, damn scam abounding on this hobby

Best wishes,

Dolf

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Paid $406.00 for the set, so I don't think that I will loose any money on the deal.

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Alan

Alan,

Absolutely, the Medals alone worth much more than that, so imho it was a good purchase after all.

Dolf

Dolf,

I have the records in a large box of over 500 awards and medals that I purchased from 2002 to 2003.

Just going to take some time to locate.

Alan

Alan,

Wow! I see

I try to keep a record on Word, but haven't updated it for some time just have to find the time and patience to copy what I have on paper, also a few hours of "hard" work

Dolf

Most of those "washed" documents appeared more than 5 years ago. This is an "old school technology", so it is no longer used by "black dealers". More recent tactics is to remove the old ink from the paper with a help of a sunlight. The document exposed to direct sun rays for couple of weeks sometimes looks blank. I've seen a Russian dealer who kept several unfolded orderbooks behind his car's windshield. So be aware...

Mondvor,

But by using that "sunlight method", doesn't the paper of the Docs also become kind of sun burned, looking darker, and dry?!

Arghhh, this scam never stops trying to deceive people, anyway!

Thanks for the alert,

Dolf

Andrew,

Ouch!

I'll have to see where I purchased the "group". It was definately in the US but it has been at least three years.

Alan

Alan,

That's one of the reasons why keeping a record of every single piece we buy is very useful on this hobby!

Dolf

Dolf,

You and Ed are Certified Herdsmen !!!

Doc

Mike,

So it seems

Dolf

And another flock, this one (except one J 03 on hold for our dear Doc) looking for a loving home

Dolf

I love my flock . . . . . . am I Welsh??

I really like the flock idea.

Here is my own flock Am I a Herdsman?

Dolf

I bought this from Dolf at the Soviet Awards Forum along with my new favorite book.

Doc

Hi Doc,

Really glad you enjoy your recent acquisitions!

Dolf

Nice Badges, Ed!

Dolf

138, right? So noted.

Nice one.

Ed,

Yes, 138.

Dolf

Same, obverse.

Dolf

Ed,

I guess you can update the lowest observed S/N for the Type 4.1.

Dolf

Not the "B" at 5 o'clock on this one, but anyway this specimen has that small circle (also as far as I know always at 12 o'clock) at 5 o'clock!

From this pic I'm not 100% sure if it has a "B" somewhere, but apparently no "B"!

Dolf

Same, reverse.

Dolf

My 2nd Class Medal, obverse. No Doc for this one.

Dolf

This 1st Class Medal came with this temporary Doc, discussed on another Forum.

Here is the info I got from those experts:

Awarded to Janus Janovich Richter. Issued by the Latvian Partisan Movement HQ, attesting that Janus J. Richter fought in the partisan movement in Latvia, but not specifically authorizing a medal's awarding.

What do you think about this one, Rick?

Dolf

Same, reverse.

Dolf

My 1st Class Medal, obverse.

Dolf

I can't even remember the last time I saw a first type!

Rick,

I guess you missed this one, posted less than a month ago (Posts #10 + #11), here:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7866

Dolf

How were these medals earned? Was it by the number of children birthed?

Paul,

Quoting PMD:

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 5 children ? the 2nd Class Motherhood Medal"

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 6 children ? the 1st Class Motherhood Medal"

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 7 children ? the 3rd Class Maternal Glory Order"

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 8 children ? the 2nd Class Maternal Glory Order"

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 9 children ? the 1st Class Maternal Glory Order" (PMD states 8 children for the 1st Class, as for the 2nd Class, but I believe this is an error)

- "mothers who gave birth to and reared 10 or more children ? the Title Mother Heroine"

There are obviously more stuff on the Regulations for these awards, but basically, as the number of children is concerned, that's how it worked.

Dolf

Another view.

Dolf