Gary B

Hi guys,

Been away from the forum for a little while. Attached per Paul's request is my set of embroidered collar tabs.

These were from the George Peterson collection.

Gary B

Dear Luftguy,

I hope Mike does not mind my answering for him....

Mike sold off his collection of tabs and other Luftwaffe stuff this year. I was fortunate enough to buy some items from him. For those of you who never had the opportunity to see his collection, it was without a doubt one of the finest Luftwaffe collections around. Not only in quantity, diversification of items but also quality. Mike had a rare abilty to find the best pieces for his collection. His items had what coin collectors call "ey appeal".

Gary B

Mike,

For sale?

(I hope!)

Bill

Ronny,

Your tab looks fine to me.

I would have to agree with Jos, one can not condemn a tab because of the material or the oddity of the gulls, wreath etc. I have seen many different variations in the material used to make tabs, the stiffner and the artisitcness of the gulls/wreath. You can have buckram or lacquered cardboard etc. Some gulls are nice looking others are quite ugly.

Additionally I also have a set of Enlisted flight tabs where the gulls are embroidered on to the yellow background material i.e. no metal gulls. These are the only set I have seen like these.

Also I liked the other Flak tabs pictured.

Gary B

Mike,

Nice to see you on this forum! As you can see I just joined a week or so ago. I intended to tell you, David and Spencer about it after I had seen how the site is. So far I have been most pleased.

The Eng tabs are a super set. I still kick myself for not buying all of your Eng tabs and the other tabs you had.

Still got the aluminum helmet? David said it sold. Definitely wil be seeing you at SOS and assisting you on spending some of that money I have sent you!!!!

Gary

Gary,

Wonderful -- I do miss those tabs.

Garth suggested I join this site and here I am. Just can't stay away!

Hope to see all of you at SOS.

Mike Heuer

Ooops. Nice catch. Of course they are tabs for a for MAJ to promoted to LTC

Gary B

Very Very nice! Those field promotion tabs are awesome! They were for a Major promoted to an ObstLt!

Anyway to see a shot of the backs?

Also Love the engineer LT set as well!

Paul

One more for tonight that should raise some eyebrows.....

These tabs are still sewn together in one corner so they are unissued. For some reason (if you look closely) you can see that the original tabs were for a 2LT (had 1 bullion gull) which was carefully removed. In place of this 2 metal gulls were added to make it a 1LT tab. I have a picture of a similar type of tabs in wear. These were from the Geroge Peterson collection.

Gary B

Hi,

Attached are a nice pair of unissued Eng tabs in their original cellophane.

Gary B

Thanks for the comments!

I was actually lucky enough to buy this last bar from a friend who was disposing of his collection. I only have a few bars with foreign awards in them. I really like them since the enamel "brightens" up the TR bar. I will try to post more later.

I just missed out on a nice Austriam mounted (triangular) Schinkel EK2....

Gary B

A very attractive bar, Gary. Congratulations on your latest find.

Hi Rick,

There are 2 types of Order of the Crown classfied as Type 1 and Type 2. They differ in that on the Type 1 medal (1881-1932) the Kings mongram is between the arms of the cross with the crown serves as the central medallion. If the Type 1 award had swords it indicated bravery in war or military merit in times of peace. On the Type 2 (1932-1947) the monogram and crown are reversed, ie. the monogram is in the center medallion and the crown is in between the arms. In 1938 a military division was created for the Type 2 award and included the swords and crown devices between the arm.

The ribbon for the Type 2 award was blue with a central silver stripe. In times of war a yellow/gold stripe on each edge was added. If the Type 2 medal was awarded for bravery the ribbon became blue and red.

As for your rosette, officers grades for the Type 1 award were indicated with a silver and blue rosette (the ribbon on the Type 1 was blue with 2 silver stripes). A crown at the top of the award indicates Knights grade.

Confusing isnt it??!!

So I am not sure what my guy did to get this. He obviously was an officer serving in a peace time capactiy since his award is without swords. It was also prior to the war since he does not have the gold stripes on the ribbon. Naval attache??

Post below your reply is my other Third Reich bar with the Order of the crown with gold stripes and swords.

Hope this helped??!!

Gary B

Rumanian ribbons changed with bewildering (well, to me anyway ) frequency and were always supposed to mean something, peacetime, wartime, and so on. Not that German outfitters necesarily always had the correct or proper ribbons-- does THIS ribbon indicate a time period or purpose? I've long abandoned all hope of ever figuring them out and rely on Rumanian experts to explain such details!

I actually have a "French" style rosette for an officer class of THIS ribbon that fell off of some German ribbon bar, and never having seen it before, didn't realize it was the Rumanian Order of the Crown.

Hi,

Just wanted to post my newest medal bar.

Gary B

Dear Paul,

I just checked my GO tabs, the ones on the original cardboard (the ones I pictured with the NSFK tabs), and they have the yellow/gold thread used to attach the twisted cord to the tabs. Just FYI.

Gary

You are absolutely correct(bright white thread) and this is my biggest personal issue with the tabs at the moment. Most of the ones i have seen are as above with the gold thread holding the piping onto the tab. I will post better scans when they arrive. Worst case scenerio... it will be a nice one for the fakes thread I have going! I am not feeling too bady for what I paid for the entire grouping, I still more than made out!

Regards

Paul

Hi,

Nice piece. I have one on the non combatant ribbon with the same shaped mounting. It reminds me of the pentagonal mounts the Russian medals are on.

Gary B

I agree with Tom... you'll see this unusual tri-folded mounting on many, many Saxon Veteran's Organization Service Medals.

Dear Paul,

I had one "small" problem on the bidding war....I lost!

One other thing I noticed on the GO tabs. The white thread on the reverse which holds the bullion twisted cord to the tab is a brilliant white and does not appear consistent with the dirt on the rest of the white. Just somehting to think about.

Gary

No problem on the little bidding war...lol. I was actually bidding on that bar for the same reason. I have a nice two place EK/WW medal bar.

Thank you for your information and I will PM Garth on on the General's tabs. I am still not holding out any faith on these being real... but I am not throwing them out either. Who knows...

Regards

Paul

Hi Paul,

Saw your PM and just found the thread. : )

Its hard to tell about the GO tabs. I have only handled a few sets (own one which I pictured in another thread) so I have no great experience in these. As for centering on the tabs I have seen plenty of lower rank tabs that were fine but were not centered so I would not be overly concerned about that. The white material looks unusual to me, as does the distribution of the dirt. Since these are handmade I would expect variations among them. As has been mentioned look for quality, you will be able to tell best when you get them in hand. Some tabs used 2 tone bullions to accent the details. I cant tell if this is the case on these. jason Burmeister has a nice tarnished pair of tabs if you can wait till the SOS to make your choice. You might want to also look at Winklers site. He has several pair of GO Luft tabs there. At least it wil be a point of comparison.

I dont know much about the shoulder boards you asked about. Contact Garth Thompson. he has a really nice selection of tabs and boards and might be able to assist.

Oh, I believe I was bidding against you yesterday. I only noticed after I submitted my bid...sorry about that! I needed a nice EK/WW ribbon bar to match a medal bar I have!

Gary B

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Thnkas Paul. I sent you a PM. Not sure if you got it. I am getting used to the new forum procedures.

Gary

Thank you for the pics! Nice DLV tabs too!

Hi Paul,

Just added the pictures. New program and I am trying to figure it out....

Gary B

I too was in the infantry in the Marine Corps. I am now a medic in the Coast Guard.

I am sorry to say that I do not see a picture attached.

Paul

Hi Paul (sent you a PM),

I do recall the PaulMedic name. I was in the Infantry and served as a volunteer EMT for a few years.

Attached are a few nice tabs. General officer tabs still attached to the cardboard salesman card. The tabs below that are an unissued set for SA Group 9.

I still have the dealers name and have thought about contacting him, but I am not sure if they are real. My son (10) was really pushing for me to get them. Heck its not his money!

Gary

Hi Gary,

Yes, I did used to go by PaulMedic. I decided to go by my real name. Like Bill stated, the tab would have been one to have gotten... especially if he would go down in his price. Do you remember his name? Maybe you could google search him and find his company phone number or email?

Regards

Paul Reck

Bill,

Yes I do. I really like the Engineer tbas, too bad they are so hard to come by! I need 3 more to complete the series, not including the GO tab.

Gary

Gary,

Sounds like I need to go to MAX and SOS.

Thanks for your reply. Do you have the 4 blade silver?

Bill

Bill,

The single tab was selling for $500. I am sure he would have come down. I examined the tab and I did not see any thing that stood out as bad on it, but then again there is not much to fake on these things. There was some glue spots on the reverse of the tab where it appeared to have been in a album. The style looked very similar to Garths set of 2 blade Gen officer bullion tabs (formerly from Mike Heuer's collection and I belive from George Peterson prior to that)

Gary B

The three blade Luftwaffe Engineering general tab would have been a good one to get. Only one person held that rank. How much was the single tab selling for?

Bill

Hi Paul (didn't you go buy "medic" at one time???),

I am still at work but if I have time when I get home I will try to post them. As I recall they are similar to the one shown in the thread. I have only seen Rsv Flight/Eng and flak. I can not imagine how many different types of waffenfarbe there are when you put all of the different combinations toghether. ONe wuold never get them all.

Also I did examine a single General officer Engineer tab (Gold 3 bladed prop) at the Max. It is the only one I have ever seen. Garth has 2 sets of the 2 bladed GO Engineer variety. I wonder if I should have picked up the 3 blade one...I just hate gettgin singles.

Gary B

Hi Gary,

You should post your reserve tabs. I would like to see the construction techinque! The only reserve tab I have is the single flak tab in this thread. The only Reserve tabs I have ever seen are for:

Flight

Flak

Singals

Engineer

and one Hermann Goering

Have you seen any others? I would love to have a medical reserve set... but I have never even seen one and do not know if they existed.

Paul

Hi Guys,

Good thread (no pun intended).

Paul to answer your question ref the snap attachement; it was used (not very often) as a method for quick removal of the tabs when the uniform was sent to the cleaners. I have only seen a few sets of Luft tabs with the snaps. (I believe Luftguy has a set of Eng tabs with snaps _if he bought these from Germany he beat me to it!). You also see screwback attachements on tabs for the same purpose. These are usually seen (whenn you find them) on SS tabs.

Luft guy has the only set of reserve Eng tabs that I have ever seen. Quite rare indeed. I have 4 sets of the flight reserve. One hardly sees reserve tabs and if you do they seem to be singles.

Gary B

Thanks, Rick.

Irritates me that someone would do such a thing.....

Gary B

OK, simple enough to remove the WG Fire ribbon and move the '39 KVK over to the left one space.... The HARD part will be figuring out what the missing WW1 award is!!

Rick and Rick,

Attached is a picture of the reverse of the bar in question. The devices are tight and do not wiggle. Through small spaces between the bar I can see that the ribbons were mounted over a tabbed metal frame with a whole in it so I dont know why the devices are uneven. (I can see the whole on the Czech Occ ribbon piece)

Gary

As a tab back, looks like a WW1 ribbon was replaced (God knows "why" ) that should have been in THIRD place, and the WW2 KVK2X that should have been in 2nd place was moved.

Show us the back side. If the devices fit in the punched tab holes, they just fit weird.

Thanks Rick. So no wonder no one could figure it out. So it is a put together piece?

Gary B

Whu-oh! That's West German 40 years fire department service, ribbon common to most L?nder! Somebody's been naughty with the tab backs!!!

Hi,

This is my first thread here, as I just signed up to the forum today. Rick recommended I post this bar here to get some help in identifying the 2nd ribbon. Attached is the bar. Thanks in advance. 2nd ribbon bar has goldish border.

Gary B