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Last photo. The locking mechanism is identical to yours too. Another good sign.
Janos
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Obverse view
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And photos of the dagger.
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Hello,
I took photos of my dagger and photos of the article about the m1946 dagger.
The article says approx. 40-50 daggers were ever produced. I wasn't right when mentioned 30-40, sorry.
Janos
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Hello, Janos!
Thank you for your reply.
Why are you so sure of originality of my dagger?
I placed these photos on Russian military forum, and no one could answer me for certain whether it is original or fake. They say that most likely it is a fake, because they did not stamp a manufacturer's name on original daggers. But I am inclined to think that the lack of stamp on original daggers is a misguiding thinking, like with daggers 1932 model.
I know that this is a rare dagger, to my knowledge, about 50 pieces were made​​. Tell me, please, if there is any literature which describes in detail the dagger of Hungarian Air Force 1946 model year. I heard that there is a dagger in the Museum of Military History in Budapest, maybe someone has photos of the dagger from that museum.
Regards.
Hello,
This dagger is extremely rare, and I doubt if any of the Russian forum members had ever seen an original one.
All they can use is Fedurin's reference book which is full of mistakes and fakes. Especially the Hungarian chapter.
I think the dagger is original because of the following reasons:
- The grip is painted wood and not plastic. All the fakes have plastic grips.
- The scabbard release button is also correct, different than the fakes.
- All wear and patina are matching which is a good sign again.
- I saw and examined dozens of fakes.
- I have an original in my collection and I was lucky to saw other originals in the Museum of Military History in Budapest also.
My problem is, that your dagger has different blade than originals I have seen before and the mark is missing from the reverse of the scabbard throat too.
In my opinion it is probably a parts dagger or a very initial production piece from 1946 made by leftover parts (regarding to the blade which could be a m1932 Hungarian Air Force dagger blade).
But it is not a modern reproduction it is for sure.
I will post photos of my dagger later.
Best regards,
Janos
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There is another question.
What manufacturer is the mark?
This mark is for "Szentgotthárdi Kaszagyár" - "Scythe factory of Szentgotthárd" was established in 1901. It was a common trademark on Hungarian blades in the first half of the 20th century.
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WOW-WOW-WOW, welcome to the forum.
You have a very impressive introduction my friend.
Your dagger is beautiful and 100 % authentic. I wonder how the hell found its way to Minsk, Belorusia...
All in all you have an extremly rare dagger. As far as I know 30-40 pieces were ever produced of these AF daggers.
If you will ever decide to sell it, I am a buyer.
Best regards,
Janos
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Hello Dzyner,
welcome to the forum.
Your dagger is 100% original and beautiful.
The TM, the scabbard release button, the blade, the screw on the pommel, etc are absolutely authentic.
Congratulation.
You have a great dagger!
Best regards,
Janos
PS: Regarding to the reddish tint in the grooves of the dagger's pommel, cross guard and scabbard - well, I don't know what it is. I've seen it on several original daggers, but I am not a chemist. Metals, reactions, etc are not my territory.
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Péter,
I sent you a PM.
János
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Péter,
congratulation, you have a very nice dagger. Are you sure it is an NCO version? Have all the silver finish gone from the fittings?
Let me share with you my latest addition to my collection.
It is an NCO dagger - unfortunately the scabbard release button is missing.
Nickel plated plain blade without maker mark.
Hope you like it.
János
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Closeup of the etch.
I hope you like them.
J?nos
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The two etched blades.
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Reverse view.
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Hi ,
today I made photos of the daggers.
Left to right:
1. NCO dagger marked HUNG?RIA plated blade, excellent quality.
2. Officer dagger marked KOZ?K, plated blade.
3. Officer dagger marked M?sz?ros Lajos, plated blade.
4. Officer dagger no maker mark, Hungarian crest stamped on the ricasso. Plated blade.
5. Officer dagger unmarked, etched and personalized plated blade.
6. Officer dagger, unmarked etched blade.
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Hi Gordon,
Koz?k Antal made swords also, and he stampes blades always this way.
You wrote you know Kurt Glemser-so do I.
I started to collecting 6 years ago, and he and his books helped me a lot. Hungarian daggers were a minefield for me for years, but now I think I have enough knowledge to judge them.
J?nos
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Last photo: marks
And an interesting detail: a Hungarian coat of arms is stamped to the lower hanger ring.
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Reverse side.
Note the coat of arms on the ricasso. And what you won't see on fakes: a screw secures the pommel.
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Closeup of the grip and the ricasso.
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Hungary - WW2 Air Force Dress Daggers
in Central & Eastern European States
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Hello,
all the so-called Bodyguard daggers on the market are fakes.
I doubt that they even existed - probably fantasy daggers.
Save your money, do not buy.