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Hi Robert,

Finally got a moment to myself to look. Sadly I have the 1992/3 edition of Husken, so the numbers don't match up, but I've posted all the Type II member badges I have. The one you showed looks perfectly fine to me, and they clearly made a range of sizes. What was it you were looking for about this particular badge?

Stephen, Actually I was looking for a reverse image to compare with mine. Mine is not RZM marked so I was curious as to whether (sp?) it was produced only pre-RZM or post as well. I haven't been able to find any 21.5mm x 21.5mm at all to compare. Thanks for pursuing this though. Robert

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A subject not often seen. War Dogs. James, I am not sure whether we are supposed to comment here or not. I feel lucky that you are sharing some of your incredibly rare tinnies. Would anyone know the breed of the canine depicted? Appears a little thin to be a German Shepard. Thank You James. Please delete this post if necessary. Robert

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My guess would be yellow. Don, where do you come up with these photos?

Slightly off topic but same photo. She dosn't look like a helfern but a....samariterin. Sorry for my "been there" example. Robert

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My guess would be yellow. Don, where do you come up with these photos?

Here is a DLV Tinnie from 1936. Sorry that it isn't completely vertical.

And another this time WHW. Nice simple design. No space to post reverse. Has nice pin attachment.

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"10 Jahre 1926-1936 NSDAP Kreis Wiesbaden"

Here is a DLV Tinnie from 1936. Sorry that it isn't completely vertical.

 

Just a standard mobile swas. generally catalogued, as Don said, as sympathisers broaches. This one came with a load of tinnies.

Pete

Pete, This makes sense. No turnfest, no Ungarn. Sympathizer broach. Stephen....no dollars or doughnuts. Ha Ha have a nice weekend. Robert

Probably this one. No maker marks.

Regards,

Pete

Pete, Nice badge. Doesn't that symbol have a particular meaning? Would you know the ID of this badge? Thanks for showing it. Robert

I dug out the picture this evening, those other scans were taken over a year ago before I learnt how to tweak the settings. This is the badge done at a higher res, can't go any higher without loosing definition. No bad considering it can't be seen with th naked eye with the picture in your hand.....

Cheers

Don

Don, Pretty amazing technology we have now. Ungarn? Turnfest? Or maybe womens' costume jewelry. That is a runic symbol, no? Maybe some other members will take a look an offer an opinion. This thread and my invitation is greatly appreciated by me at least. You posted your Type I in April of last year w/o response. I posted mine last Friday and we are still here a week later. This is great. Just positive discourse between collectors. For me that is what it's all about. Don, any ideas of what the badge in question might be? Robert

I would bet dollars to donuts that it is this badge - the Deutscher Turnverband (German Gymnastics Association) membership badge. She looks like a healthy girl. Stephen, Yes she does but the symbol of her badge doesn't reach the outside edge of the badge like the Turnfest does. You bet the dollars and I'll bet the donuts. This is a great thread. A tad off topic from time to time but full of interesting details don't you think? I can't wait to hear Don's imput on what badge he thinks she is wearing. Take Care Robert

Is this the badge you are talking about Robert? It looks like what the dealers tend to call a sympathiser broach, but you often see these things being worn by these types of groups & I suspect that there is more to them than just sympathiser broaches.

Collecting pictures can be as addictive as collecting the badges themselves & just as expensive. I've been known to pay more for a rare image of a badge being worn than it would cost for the badge itself

Sometimes the details can be amazing, for instance the original of that group shot above is only 3 inches long......

Cheers

Don

Don, I looked thru Husken 1997 page 229 Item F801e. Volksbund der Deutschen in Ungarn. I can't tell from the photo if the badge has any writing on the outside but I think the symbol is the same. Could be wrong though...happens more often than not. Robert

Is this the badge you are talking about Robert? It looks like what the dealers tend to call a sympathiser broach, but you often see these things being worn by these types of groups & I suspect that there is more to them than just sympathiser broaches.

Collecting pictures can be as addictive as collecting the badges themselves & just as expensive. I've been known to pay more for a rare image of a badge being worn than it would cost for the badge itself

Sometimes the details can be amazing, for instance the original of that group shot above is only 3 inches long......

Cheers

Don

Don, yes, that's the one. I am trying to remember what exactly the symbol means. I can't recall at the moment. As for photos, my consist only of ID's and membership books I'm afaid. No help from my WHW reference book. Maybe another member will know. Period photos make great conversation pieces. Robert

Don is absolutely right. It's a DJ badge. He's the right age (10-14), except they were supposed to be worn on the pocket, not kerchief.

Good eye guys, I also think that his Mother and older sister are in this photo. First row second from left and second row far right. Also, is that an organizational brooch being worn by the woman in the second row third from the right? Thanks for posting the photos. This is not part of my collecting field.........yet. Take care Robert

Hi Robert -

I'll have a look at my Husken when I get home (which editon is the number from, since they changed with the new one?).

Some of it is feel, unfortunately. Fakes I have seen are usually flatter, with originals being slightly domed. The rest is the usual materials, finish and pin attachment. I've seen a lot of blue bordered Type II fakes. They usually have a floppy pin. J.R. Cone's book on TR enamels is a good starting point.

I'll get back about the Husken reference.

By the way, here's a photo of an NSF shoe depot in Berlin in 1940. Note the wall plaque!

Stehen, Nice photos. Happy people. Don, thanks for showing your photos. Any idea what badge the boy in the center of the group photo is wearing? The shoes appear used, no? WHW donations maybe? My Heerin-Husken edition is 1997 page 143 image 9118g. Talk Soon. Thank you. Robert

Just thought I'd add the big sister to these Type 2 badges. I don't have my ruler handy, but this is about three times the size of the smallest, and meant for wear as a broach, usually at the throat.

Stephen, On the Type II standard badges, do you happen to have 9118G in Husken's book? The one I posted is that badge. Measurements are 21.5mm x 21.5mm. If you do and have the time and inclination could you post an image of its' reverse please? Also, with all the confusion with regard to Frauenschaft badges in general, what points of reference do use to determine originality? Since reverse markings seem to be up-in-the-air is it an in-the-hand and feel judgement? Take care and thank you. Robert

Hello all,

It's my first post here - glad to find there is a haven for gentlemen collectors.

First of all, there are a couple of "women's" manufacturing companies in the RZM M1 list, like M1/148: "Heinrich Ulbrects Witwe, Wien". "Witwe" means widow, so the company is "Henirich Ulbrect's Widow, Vienna". I suppose that happened when the owner died and the wife takes over the business.

I have a few Frauenschafts to share. There is some discussion about the authenticity of certain Type III Leader Badges due to an article in Der Gauleiter a few years back, but I remain skeptical since no sources were offered, so they stay in the collection until proven otherwise.

Cheers,

Stephen

Stephen, Nice collection there. I am glad you are here. Sorry about Herr Ulbrecht's widow. My oversight. If and when you would ever have the time and inclination, would it be possible to see the reverses of the 2 smaller standard Type IIs? Thanks alot. Robert

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Don, I just looked Karl Henzler in Husken 1997. I see M1/6 Karl Hensler, Pforzheim. I would think the S in the spelling in the book and the Z on the badge would be a translation thing. Would I would like to see now is a M1/6 party pin. More research. A side note: After going over the RZM list......a find a woman maker....M1/87 Karoline Gehr, Munchen. I am suprised. Robert

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Don, I also want to add that I like your 1a badge. Is that not a little smear of red enamel on the reverse? I have a DDAC and a RAD miniature like that as well. Robert

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Don, Would you know offhand if Karl Henzler manufactured party pins as well as the type 1a Frauenschaft Badge? I ask because the beaded red enamel is the more common enamelling on party pins. Robert

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Nice badge I never saw before.Is this the predecessor of those trapezoidal shaped Frauenschafts badges?

Yes, this is Type I. Here is type II. Hopefully Don will show a Type III. I have been trying to land one for awhile but many fakers out there. I have had to return the last 2 Type III's. Robert

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Reverse.

Anyone else have one to show?

Cheers

Don

Don, Here is mine to show. I do like the stamped markings. Robert

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Pete, I will post the reverse of mine if I have room to do so. Mine is solid with a diferent pin attachment set-up. Thank you for showing yours. Robert

The reverse of mine.

Here you go, no maker, and standard pin type (as I have seen)

Regards,

Pete

Pete, I will post the reverse of mine if I have room to do so. Mine is solid with a diferent pin attachment set-up. Thank you for showing yours. Robert

I too have been trying to secure a marked one to no avail, unless they were all turned out by one maker I would have thought one of them would have marked them. Angolia only gives them the briefest of comments on it in his work on Labour Organisation, as does the Men at Arms book on female auxiliaries.

Be nice if any other forum members could post theirs...... Yes, it would be. Hint Hint

Cheers

Don