zarusthra

well thanks alot - not into belgium - guess this is my first one! (came to me in a group of goodies)

Anyone know what this is????

Looks like a MVK but it isn't

Ok I understand the lack of swords for the type - but how can you tell the whole medal is homemade?

I look at it and compare with mvk's of my own and the actual body looks ok along with the enamel!

I really would love to get a show and tell thing going for the community - similiar to the really nice 1870 EK one on medalnet!

From my standpoint one of the best ways to end fraud is to expose and drive out - the more people know the less these people can survive!

(I would never do WW2 medals - seems like almost all of them are bad fakes!)

Because an ignorant person and their cash are easily parted!!

For those of us newer collectors please explain the issues with that cross - I am many others would be greatly interested in hearing!

I picked up this recently and it is definately a non-iron brass with a very cool look!

Anybody have any knowledge?

I know they were made in brass for naval use

pics do not do the color justice

and yes that is center damage

I picked up this recently and it is definately a non-iron brass with a very cool look!

Anybody have any knowledge?

I know they were made in brass for naval use

While the one with crown and swords appears more porous and almost "mushy" to the point that I fear that

if left in a glass of water for a couple of days, it would dissolve rather than rust. So, the question is - which

is zinc and which is war metal?

From my knowledge of zinc - number 1 is zinc - number 2 looks like war metal wich is basically anything they can throw into a melt pot

the mushiness would come from metals with different properties being combined in a somewhat crude way

btw war metal is back - seen a lot of electronics from china using that type of thrown together material!!!

war metal is nice term used for a country running out of raw materials for anything - especially metal (zinc had a lot of uses near the end in 1918 hence using any junk for what they deemed as not critical applications!

Today there was a nice Hemmerle 2nd class sold on eBay. For nearly 140 EUR!! What the .... is going on with the prices nowadays? Last year I purchased same class for at most 120 EUR. Also I noticed the different prices between US, UK and German eBay. While German one is reflecting the market prices, the US one is always 15% or more below and the UK one is all extreme. Sometimes you see unbelievable prices which are almost twice as high as on German eBay, sometimes it's twice as low...One is for sure: prices are raising and someone should say 'Stop!' to that.

OK, OK...now I shut up. I just needed to release the pressure

Let's go back to MVKs.

and BTW here's the MVK sold today: http://cgi.ebay.de/B...=item45f274dca3

Anyone from here got it?

I saw it before - and would love to ask - how did you quickly from a pic see it was a hemmerle????

I know your experience but what traits do you look for first on mvk's to so quickly spot the who made it and whether it is a fake!

I can id a mauser bayo from 100 feet away but that is by form - trying to learn more about this area and the details!

Hello zarusthra,

I would think that you could have one made if you can't find an original. Considering where you live it should not be difficult to find someone. As a woodworker myself I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of very skilled craftsmen (and women) in your neck of the woods. Good luck and please keep us posted especially if you have one made. I think we need to be more aware and knowledgable of, what I will call, restoration work and the making of replacement parts. Very interesting stuff.

Regards

Brian

I agree on the craftsman made way if fixing the problem - what my issue is with that is not having one to use as a pattern!

I have a wall of 98k's and their variants but alas only this g98 - i have more furniture on my 71/84's and 88 commisions!

I am almost at the point of getting a second g98 complete to use for reference - but for the last several years I have only seen WAY overpriced examples at gun shows!

Thanks

I compared it to all the ek2 pics of confirmed good and looks like a type A - of course do not have another one to check the feel but there is no way to fake the feel of a period item!

At least my experience with other items

I have had a really nice 1915 erfurt G98 that has a lot of character and charm but has one problem - missing upper handguard!

Anyone know someone who has one or anybody who makes them?

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Last pic

Hope these give enough details!

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Well I thought so on the 1st class - being painted - being too new (I have handled enough old stuff to sniff out age!) plus I got it for basically a copy price! (If it had been real I would have been quite excited but was pretty sure it was not when I got it)

What quick ways do you use to determine?

I have looked at a number of supposedly reputable dealers 1870 ek1's and I have to say a lot of them look awfully questionable for 1000 to 2000 dollars!

Here are more pics of the EK2 - which when you have both in yours hands is everything the EK1 is not!

Definately blackened not painted and looks very very type A - no ninth bead etc. - it feels 140 years old

Well I thought so on the 1st class - being painted - being too new (I have handled enough old stuff to sniff out age!) plus I got it for basically a copy price! (If it had been real I would have been quite excited but was pretty sure it was not when I got it)

What quick ways do you use to determine?

I have looked at a number of supposedly reputable dealers 1870 ek1's and I have to say a lot of them look awfully questionable for 1000 to 2000 dollars!

Here are more pics of the EK2 - which when you have both in yours hands is everything the EK1 is not!

Definately blackened not painted and looks very very type A - no ninth bead etc. - it feels 140 years old

Here is the back side

oops - forgot the pic

Here is the back side

Here is my EK2

Appears to be a type a - not painted but has the blackened look!

No markings

Any idea of the maker?

Close up of the crown area

lower half detail

Close up of the crown area

Here are some pics of first - EK1

No marks other than 900

And it is 3 piece and it is magnetic

Any ideas on time of make etc....

Here is the backside - non vaulted - very flat and right dimensions and weight

Here are some pics of first - EK1

No marks other than 900

And it is 3 piece and it is magnetic

Any ideas on time of make etc....

Also has this for $650 - wco on susp plus 900 on the ring

So while this is active - any thoughts on this MVO????

900 on the ring

950 jl on susp

looking for 350 - does that sound like a deal????

Well thanks alot for all the education!!!!

I am somewhat new to medal/orders - weltkrieg guy but have been focused on edged weapons/guns/uniforms etc (all imperial of course!) for the last 25years - and have started on this new area for the past 6 or so months.

Have upcoming EU travel in my future so the more education I get now the better off I am when I roam around central europe looking for those needles in the haystack! (easier to bring home than a gew98!)

So do you have any idea on how many were actually awarded of the variant?

As you see I have the 1st class plus the second I also pictured - but have 3rd with swords and a 3rd with swords/crowns - plus my mvo 4

Would love to get all 3 classes in all version!!!