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I thought that would be an MVO 2nd class - early style - with the orginal mvk being the same except non enamel arms????

I have an mvo 4th with flames - war issue - and was always under the impression that the mvk had only center enameling (and the early first grade was silver - gilt added when they made 3 levels)

my bad on my earlier - knew the progression of 1 then 2 then 3 just messed up on the years

Where did you get your info on war time period etc?

I have a small collection of mvk's and mvo's and getting any info other than through things like this is almost impossible!

Anyone out there know possible issued quantity numbers for the 3 classes and the w w/o swords and crowns variations?

Also would love to see pics of early - pre-1905 versions when there was only 2 classes!

W.Co.

so is that on the reverse right sword with the o at the tip and the w and c covered by the cross point?

The reverse:

Well that is the spitting image of mine!

So how is yours marked on the sword?

This is how a Weiss up to 1916 looked like:

http://gmic.co.uk/up...-1187082572.jpg

As I said, I'm not sure whether they made any first classes after 1916.

Well from a detail standpoint mine looks the same - the only difference is the enamel in the center is higher - as they added more of the black than in the one pictured above - so mine is closer to flat but not flat

I guess the good thing on the markings is they are not obvious - have to work to see the W and the C - sword is very very tight

Overall this is a nice feeling and looking medal

Well here is a better picture of the enamel - hope it is better - need a new camera!

I will say the l does look like gold by the patina

What kind of marks did weiss put on there crosses?

On the 2nd class enamel on both and yes kind of rough - but you think both are ok period pieces?

well i was able to move the sword enough - very tight - to see a W then a C and then the clearly visible o so i guess that would confirm

Regarding you first class the photo's not perfect. What I can see is that the cross seems to be made by Weiss & Co. Here I'm not quite sure but I think they made only early pieces (up to 1916) which have the 'L' in the center made out of pure gold and attached separately. So again I'm not very positive with this piece as well. Better photos would reveal the truth.

Well here is a better picture of the enamel - hope it is better - need a new camera!

I will say the l does look like gold by the patina

What kind of marks did weiss put on there crosses?

On the 2nd class enamel on both and yes kind of rough - but you think both are ok period pieces?

Since everyone is posting their MVK's - here is a pic of my 1st class

Has a mark on the sword - letter o and something I cannot make out

Any suggestion on real/fake and maker?

Also here is a 2nd class that has enamel on both sides!

Any ideas on that?

Hello, what was the difference between zinc and war metal? I thought they were the same.

Since everyone is posting their MVK's - here is a pic of my 1st class

Has a mark on the sword - letter o and something I cannot make out

Any suggestion on real/fake and maker?

just the center's are enameled

i have a gold class 1 and several class three's but none have both sides enameled (obviously no enamel on the three's)

I have a 4th class mv order and this looks like it more with the exception of the enamel and flames around the center.

I am just wondering if this medal could be an original mvk - before they split into 2 then three classes.

Also the swords are loose and I think could have been added after

I have a really nice MVK2 which looks great but one strange thing:

both sides are enamel - not just the front!

anybody know this variation?

cold it be pre gold class 1?