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Avsar, 

Thank you ever so much for you help, excellent news and I'm very happy with both.

Do you know we're I can get a ribbon for the 4th class?

Also looking for one for my Medicie Order.

Yesterday I found two examples that are both ok I hope. I believe this is a 4th and 3rd Class.

The 4th class is much thicker than the other, the hanger is much more sturdy and the balls on the tips rounder and thicker.

The third class is thinner, lighter and the metal "diamonds" inbetween the cross arms are not as detailed. I'm not so sure about this one although it looks a lot like the previous manufacture type that Risk showed the 4th class of.

Opinions appreciated.

3rd Class, sorry, reverse first.

Thanks, yes, i see what you mean just on the reverse or not?

It's rotated to the left 11 o clock position but the obverse looks ok don't you think?

I'll probably opt for the first one though anyway. 

Thank you for the help and observations.

Dear Avsar,

Thank you very much for your informed opinion, it's appreciated. This example is for sale for just 455€ which seems very reasonable even considering the condition.

Heres another in better condition but the price on this one is nearly 700€. It seems very difficult to find examples of this medal without damage to the enamel somewhere.

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Gents,

I've been looking for an Osmanje order to join my other Turkish medals for sometime. I stumbled upon this thread and was quiet shocked to see how good the copys are.

I therefore present this example that I've been looking at. I know there's a very slight damage to the enamel at the 2 o clock position, that doesn't worry me to much.

Thanks for any insights.

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