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      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      the recepient got NEW Ukrainian order of Khmelnitsky, it was issued after Ukraine became independent.

      Dear William,

      sorry .... my mistake :blush: - I just oversaw that you wrote that the Khmelnitsky is UKRAINIAN :rolleyes: .

      Also the (original) Khmelnitsky might be called "Ukrainian", due to the fact, that the order shows the Ukrainian hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky of the medivial ages and that the order was primarly awarded for (mostly combat) contributions during the liberation of the Ukraine during the GPW.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Order of October Revolution, fake or not!

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      Dear Christophe,

      dear Andreas,

      many thanks for the informations concerning the change in rivets :cheers: .

      So, Paul's "Octoberrevolution" version 2 is very close to the change in rivets 4 to 5, that means, a very early version 2.

      I know one group, it is posted here, where the order was awarded to a normal worker.

      That doesn't mean, that the normal worker hadn't been a "higher" member of the Communist Party. There were quite a few workers in leading functions at local party commitees or even in the Supreme Soviet.

      The composition of the Soviet communist party was a bit different to parties in the Western World - the working class was represented.

      In my understanding of Soviet history & phaleristics the "Octoberrevolution" had been THE order of the communist party.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Opinions about research options

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      Dear William,

      is it that Khmelnitsky, which JimZ has as his avatar http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showuser=1543 :unsure: ?

      I don't think, that the Guards Captain got a (new) Ukrainian one of the 1990s, as Ed meant.

      At least one Order of the Red Star is missing, because all officers, who didn't get enough combat awards, got after the victory a RS.

      To start the research with the Khmelnitsky - if it's the old Soviet GPW-award - would make sense.

      A captain in a antitank artillery Guards unit - making the way from Warsaw to Berlin -, who got a Khmelnitsky 3cl, should usually have a collection of RS, OPW - even a RB.

      You might find some intersting and courageous citations.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      I just checked the group again and I think there's some hope.

      He has the following medals w docs:

      - Liberaion of Warsaw

      - Capture of Berlin

      - Vistory over Germany

      His rank at the war's end was Guards Captain.

      Unit name: 4th Guards Antitank Artillery Brigade, reserve of stavka.

      One of his badges is for veteran of 247 Roslavl Rifle Division.

      If he was a Captain, he must have been in the trenches for a while, so I hope he had some awards.

      William

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      Order of October Revolution, fake or not!

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      So this Order was mainly for highest level members within the party?

      Dear Paul,

      this might be true only for the very first years, that only highest level party members received that order, but during the late Brezhnev-years and the 1980s + 1990/91 it seems, that there had been a growing inflation in awarding (as with most of the CCCP-orders).

      In 1986, the communist party in the CCCP had over 19 million members or approximately 10% of the adult population.

      So, I guess, that the "Octoberrevolution" had been an order for higher level party members.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Order of October Revolution, fake or not!

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by Christian Zulus

      Dear Paul,

      yes, you have a version 2 - the distinction are the 3 rivets at the rv. for fixing the hammer & sickle.

      Version 1 had only two rivets.

      I don't know, when they added the 3rd rivet :unsure: .

      I have one version 1 with the s/n. 24318 in my collection.

      The "Octoberrevolution" had been are more or less pure "political" order for members of the party - also awarded to communist leaders abroad - and after the "Lenin" the second highest order in the CCCP.

      There had been some (rare) cases of some top-communists, who got 2 "Octoberrevolutions" - one from the Union and one from the Republic. Anyhow, that was against the regulations and not untypical for the Brezhnev-Era ;) .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      RB#4+Lenin-group at Dimitry's coming auction in N.Y.

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      Gentlemen,

      Dimitry offers a (complete!) Lenin + 3x RB + RB#4 + OPW1cl group with document at the 10th of january 2008 at his N.Y. auction: http://www.sixbid.com/nav.php?p=viewlot&am...16&lot=2215

      Starting bid is USD 7.680,- (incl. 12 % buyers fee) and estimate is USD 8.960 (incl. 12 % buyers fee)

      "Complete documented personal group of Hohlov I.F., includes Red Banner, 4th Award. Comes with Order of Lenin #62521, 4 Orders of Red Banner (#88440, #163661, #197141 and 4th Award #1563), and Order of the Patriotic War 1st Class #47762. Orders Book lists all of the decorations, nothing is missing. Scarce complete group.

      Condition: Superb on all items, flawless enamels"

      If the group is genuine, the estimate (and the starting bid) seems as a bargain :D .

      The research of that group might also produce great citations, because there might be only 1 (one) long service award among the orders (one of the RBs or even the Lenin).

      And ... RB#4-groups ARE rare ...

      Let's have a look which hammer-price will be yielded .... :D

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Glory 1cl at Dimitry's coming auction in N.Y.

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      Gentlemen,

      Dimitry offers a Glory 1cl s/n. 1702 http://www.mirnagrad.ru/cgi-bin/exinform.c...;ич at the 10th of january 2008 at his N.Y. auction: http://www.sixbid.com/nav.php?p=viewlot&am...16&lot=2231

      Starting bid is USD 6.720,- (incl. 12 % buyers fee) and estimate is USD 8.400 (incl. 12 % buyers fee)

      "Comes with copies of biography and awarding details for all 3 Classes. Awarded to Trunov A.M. for fighting on the streets of Berlin during the last days of war. Sen. Sergant Trunov was awarded with two(!) 2nd Class Orders in May of 1945, for fighting on Oder River, and street fighting in Berlin. The Berlin?s 2nd Class award was later exchanged for the 1st Class. Rare such.

      Condition: Excellent overall, perfect enamel, minimal wear"

      Well, that award is unresearched .... :rolleyes:

      Since two years, Glory 1cl or full cavalier sets are always sold very, very quickly - at increasing prices.

      Another fact is, that no dealer in the west can offer a Glory 1cl or a full cavalier set at the moment.

      Let's have a look which hammer-price will be yielded .... :D

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Major Crime Befalls Sole Surviving HSU/Full Cavalier of the Order of Glory

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Ed and others,

      Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov's HSU was serial numbered 6264 (April 19, 1945) and OGI was 2656 (March 13, 1980)

      He received OGIII on April 23, 1944 and OGII on January 12, 1944, but I don't have serial numbers.

      MIR NAGRAD also doesn't list the s/n. of his Glory 2cl & cl :( :

      http://www.mirnagrad.ru/cgi-bin/exinform.c...;ич

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Aeroflot badge

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by Christian Zulus

      Meritorious Pilot of the CCCP

      Dear Bryan,

      that's my title-medal, 2nd version with pebbled rv. and without s/n. (screwplate is not original!):

      Sorry for the bad scans :blush: .

      More information about these medals - and my medal - at the "other" forum:

      http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-...pilot-ussr.html

      http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-...gator-ussr.html

      The fact is, that these medals don't have an AEROFLOT-inscription and the medal you show represents a 1st version and should have a s/n.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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