Christian Zulus

Dear Ed,

you have a hughe collection of original Soviet awards, so why to you want to use replicas ?

The fact is, that a fake will stay a fake (or "replica") and everybody can see, that's not a real item.

If you don't need Uzhis or Suvorovs, I would take a genuine Nevsky, screwback RB, RS, etc.

Best regards

Christian

I feel inexpressively dirty asking this question, but here goes . . .

I have recently started getting a few uniforms, weathering both storage problems and spousal abuse. So far, I have several that have clear evidence of the awards won with them. For display purposes, I need "replica" (OK, good quality FAKE) awards to put onto them. Is there any source? Kapral seems to be gone? (Not sure I miss them.)

I hate putting money into these guys' pockets, but . . . ???

Maybe an answer by PM is better?

Singidunum - Ranko Mandic

Gentlemen,

Ranko Mandic from Singidunum - one of the great phaleristic experts and big dealers in Belgrade - is already member at GMIC and active in our YU-section:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showuser=1405

I hope he will make more contributions .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Some GMIC-members - me inclusive - made already good experience with Ranko as a dealer .

I have had very good luck (and shall soon be sharing this good luck on this sub-forum) with Singidunum Online.

http://www.singidunum-online.com/shope/ind...tegory_secID=36

Marko is a great guy and very easy to deal with. He may not live 24/7 online the way we do, but he has been a great help.

I had forgotten, but he had helped me out way back in the days of the Internatioonal Electronic Phaleristic Encyclopedia (before it got trashed by vandals in the post-11 Sep outbreak of US patriotism) -- and if you can recember the IEPE, you have clearly been doing this TOO LONG!

Gentlemen,

let's sum up the recent market situation of that medal:

- Charles spotted a item with s/n. somwhere

- there is one (unnumbered) medal offered by Ranko http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showuser=1405 in Belgrade.

Are there anymore at the market ?

Best regards

Christian

Dear Anatoly,

many thanks for the excellent pics of our hero .

They show his promoting through the ranks:

- Captain 2nd rank

- Captain 1st rank

- Konteradmiral

Best regards

Christian

BTW: For which heroic deed did he get his Uzhi 2nd class ?

It's quite interesting that the Ex-Yugoslavia got the Russian style 5 sided suspensions and the Austro-Hungarian triangle ribbon style. A lot of influence from those 2 super powers.

Dear Bryan,

do you think, that this A-H triangle ribbon is correct ?

I assume, that the ribbon is somehow "home made" by a monarchistic-oriented comrade .

Best regards

Christian

Dear Ed,

congratulations to your well deserved victory #6 .

Many thanks for your excellent question, but I also stuck at just a bit more than 50 % of your question .

All these 10 fragments of medals are 100 % communist awards ?

Best regards

Christian

I believe this is the badge that is being used on the hat.

Dear James,

many thanks for sharing that beautiful badge with us .

I think, that you are 100 % correct, because your badge can be seen on the hat of the guy at my Turnerbund-Badge.

Best regards

Christian

Gentlemen,

Eugene http://www.russianglory.com/soviet_orders.htm already sold that well preserved & low numbered RBL T2 f?r USD 4850,-:

Well, quite a hughe amount of bucks for a labour award .

Best regards

Christian

Dear Jim,

congratulation to your very quick and precise victory .

Dear Christophe,

many thanks for the update of the statistics .

Best regards

Christian

But, of course, if the confirmation of the answer would become too long to appear, it is time to launch a new challenge.

Dear Christophe,

the quiz is your invention - so, what is "too long" ?

Best regards

Christian

Christian,

Whereas it is only good manners to wait for the person asking the question to revert back and to confirm the correct anser, I must congratulate you for finally answering the question.

Regards

Jim

Dear Jim,

sorry for not waiting for your confirmation .... .

Many thanks for your congratulation .

Well, I just wanted to speed up our quiz a bit and the correctness of my answer seemed obvious to me and other participants of our quiz.

Best regards

Christian

Dear Milan,

the cases & rolls are very fine done and really beautiful, but the orders look like very bad fakes of the old communist ones .

Why did they produce that bad quality - maybe they lost IKOM-Zagreb ?

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Does any of the numerous ex-YU-states still use the old IKOM-dies ?

Dear Christophe,

one of Spassky's constructions played also THE major role in "Hunt for Red October" - submarine "Red October" .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: I would assume, that comrade Spassky is the greatest submarine-designer of the last century .

Dear Christophe,

perfect - congratulations .

Question #145 is now your turn .

Maybe you can tell us something about that famous HSL Spassky .

Best regards

Christian

Hi Christian,

An easy one for me, as I met him several times, and we had numerous occasions to drink a number of shots of vodka together...

He is Igor Spassky, Igor Dmitrievich Spassky (Russian: Игорь Дмитриевич Спасский, born August 2, 1926).

1) What had been my job in the CCCP?

Igor Spassky is a Russian (and former Soviet) scientist, engineer and entrepreneur, General Designer of nearly 200 Soviet and Russian nuclear submarines, and the head of the Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering Rubin.

2) Please list ALL my CCCP titles, orders & prizes.

He has been awarded the Lenin Prize (1965), USSR State Prize (1983), became a Hero of Socialist Labor (1978), received two Orders of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and two Orders of the Red Banner of Labour.

We can add the Russian Orthodox Church awarded Spassky the Order of Saint Prince Daniila of Moscow.

3) I played an important role in an US-movie - which movie?

Kursk

4) I wrote a well know book - which book?

Igor Spassky - Five Colors of Time .

Hope this is OK....

Cheers.

Ch.

I'm wondering if the order still excists?

Dear Roeland,

that's a very good question .

Well, the Royal family is back from London to Belgrade for some years, the Serbian Government gave them the (Royal) "White Palace" and as far, as I am informed, the family is confering again their (old) orders & medals .

But I guess, that Milan "Orden_Master" knows more about that subject .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Serbia is at the moment a republic and not a monarchy .

Question #144

Gentlemen,

let's believe in George ....

By George, I think you've got it!

We await Jim . . . .

... and speed up Christophe's quiz with an (very, very) easy question in the traditional manner .

Who am I ?

1) What had been my job in the CCCP?

2) Please list ALL my CCCP titles, orders & prizes.

3) I played an important role in an US-movie - which movie?

4) I wrote a well know book - which book?

The first, who answers ALL questions is the winner .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: This had been my post #1.750 at GMIC .

Correct answer of Jim's question

Dear Jim,

1) What bound these people together?

The Soviet submarine K-3 Leninsky Komsomol (first nuclear submarine of the CCCP!).

2) What was the incident that earned them this nomination?

The accident at the 8th of september 1967 before the Norwegian coast, when fire broke out on bord. The incident happened before the coast of Norway and 39 crew members died in section 1 & 2. The crew & captain managed to bring back the boat to the home harbour.

3) Why did they not receive the title?

Well, smoking doesn't only harm your personal health, but also the possibiltiy for you and your comrades to get a HSU, orders and medals .

Best regards

Christian

K-3 Leninsky Komsomol

Dear Jim,

might it have been the accident at the 8th of september 1967 of CCCPs first nuclear submarine K-3 Leninsky Komsomol .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-3

The incident happened before the coast of Norway and 39 crew members died in section 1 & 2.

"Numerous rewards were recommended for the crew, including seven nominations for Hero of Soviet Union -- four of them posthumous. A later commission from Moscow, however, found a cigarette lighter in the torpedo compartment and found the position of a sailor's body suspicious. They ruled that the sailor's smoking had caused the fire and prohibited any award."

Well, I guess, that answer might be right .

Best regards

Christian

Hallo Christian

good observation, it is the same ribbon as for the old medal for military virtue.

regards

Milan

Dear Milan,

so, Yugoslavia during the (socialist) Milosevic-era didn't only use old dies, but also the old ribbons .

In the pinned-section I made a posting about YU-Awards during the 4 Yugoslav-Wars of the 1990s: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=159521

In my opinion the "phaleristic-language" of these orders and medals is still communist in style and appearance.

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Do you have any access to the statutes and regulations of Yugoslav Awards from 1943 to 2000 ?

K-3 Leninsky Komsomol

He he....

We got ourselves our own little "Hunt for the Red October".......

But not enough people shooting depth charges ... Is the question that hard or are we losing steam?

Will this be the longest standing question?

Jim

Dear Jim,

might it have been the accident at the 8th of september 1967 of CCCPs first nuclear submarine K-3 Leninsky Komsomol .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-3

The incident happened before the coast of Norway and 39 crew members died in section 1 & 2.

"Numerous rewards were recommended for the crew, including seven nominations for Hero of Soviet Union -- four of them posthumous. A later commission from Moscow, however, found a cigarette lighter in the torpedo compartment and found the position of a sailor's body suspicious. They ruled that the sailor's smoking had caused the fire and prohibited any award."

Well, I guess, that answer might be right .

Best regards

Christian

Felix Dzerzhinsky "loved Christ", reports a newspaper

Gentlemen,

the Christian daily newspaper "Ecumenical News International" from Switzerland reported on the 26th of july 2006, that Dzerzhinsky wanted to become a Catholic priest, before he got Marxist:

http://www.eni.ch/articles/display.shtml?06-0597

In the same report it is writen:

"In recent years, some ultraconservative Russian Orthodox groups have suggested that Soviet dictator Josef Stalin should be declared a saint."

Well, comrade Stalin had an academic education as an Orthodox priest already .

Maybe the Orthodox Church presents us in a few years their new holy person: Saint Stalin .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Had been Alexander Nevsky converted to a saint by the Orthodox Chruch ?

Gents,

All the more reason for you to get out there and publish. Let's fill the military sections of Walden Books, Borders Books, Barnes and Noble etc. with more Mongolian and Soviet-related titles. This alone will help increase knowledge and grow the interest base. Self-published endeavors, while commendable, just won't do it with their low print runs. You have to hit the masses.

The German enthusiasts do this especially well - just scan these stores' shelves for Motorbooks publications dealing with the topic. English language Soviet offerings pale in comparison.

Get to it. You can do it!

Regards,

slava1stclass

Wise words, which are 100 % true .

When are you going to publish your great book about the "Order of Glory" ?

Best regards

Christian

Both, maybe. I do sense a significant (and unfortunate) draw-down in activity in most non-Teutonic sub-fora. Summer vacations? Malaise?

Dear Ed,

I guess, that the certain inactivity has something to do with the prices at the market & our personal income .

Soviet items skyrocketed and at the same period, you can buy 1,4 USD for 1,0 EURO, which makes the prices even more expensive for non-EU-collectors.

But at phaleristic sectors, where the prices are still very moderate, you have a lot of activity on GMIC. The best example is the GMIC-YU-section, which is growing in extremly rapid pace: Great items & moderate prices.

Best regards

Christian

This is for me one of the most beautiful orders from the past WWII period

That's true - and I guess, that the "Order of Freedom" is the most beautiful one (at least, the most expensive one ) ....

Best regards

Christian

BTW: I think, that at least one "Freedom" is in a private collection ?

Dear Milan,

isn't that ribbon from an old YU-Medal from Tito's era ?

Best regards

Christian

Sorry, .... I did a big mistake

"When now, at the open coffin, one recalls the entire path Dzerzhinsky traversed - prison, penal servitute, exile, the "Extraordinary Commission to Combat Counter-Revolution", the restoration of the ruined transport, the building of the young socialist industry - one feels, that this seething life can be expressed in one word: burning. Burning, and heroic valour in combating difficulties."

Dzerzhinsky's fine personality, his iron will, his boundless devotion to the people, his heroism, will forever serve as an example to coming generations.

Dear Chairman,

dear Nick,

I feel very sorry, because I did a big mistake in forgetting to post the last sentence as a historic quotation and to list the source .

That last sentence is a historic view & official propaganda statement from the CCCP-government in the year 1947 and not my own political statement.

The above posted part of my thread is taken 1:1 from that CCCP-propaganda-book from 1947 and is the end of the entry in that book about the "Iron Felix":

http://cgi.ebay.ch/Soviet-Calendar-Thirti-...bayphotohosting

and

http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/colle/14351.shtml

Your other mentioned part in my posting - "Dzerzhinsky did a lot for Russian orphans" - has no political message at all, it is just a proven historic fact, like: "Churchill smoked cigars" or "Hitler loved German shepard dogs".

Sorry again, for forgetting the quotation, but I didn't want to make political propaganda with Dzerzhinsky, only to remind the 130th birthday of one of the historic key-figures of the early years of the CCCP and the Civil War.

Best regards

Christian

BTW: I already edited the two mentioned postings in your sense.