murat2010

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Avsar,

You are a gentleman, thanks for warning te community !

demir

Dear Members,

They are beautiful medals and of exceptional quality, in regards to ember Avsar Ibar, he is a true professional and passionate about his work, i too purchased a rather rare piece in outstanding condition.

Regards to you all

Murat

Dear Demir Abi,

I Knew u would like it aswell, thank you for kind assesment. Secondly Linas with the order of which i posess look at the alignment of the star between the rays, the ray cannot have a crescent and star combination located on it, the ray of the breast star must have this crescent star combination at both its right and its left legs, not on it.

Regards to every1

Dear Sir,

Lets cut it short.

If you give it free what you are selling now I will not get it......

demir

Dear Avsar Abi

Thank your for your assesment.

Always with regards.

Dear Murat ,

Your Breast Star is OK !

Best wishes ,

Avsar Ibar

Hello my friends,

Would Mr Avsar or Mr Demir evaluate my breast star as i am eager to make sure it is an original. I purchased it from a dealer in Germany, not from our favourite web site. It is worthy to note that this breast star also has a sash badge with light green stripes which are pre WW1.

Thank you

Murat

The example on the left is amazing Demir Abi, thank you once again.

UNKNOWN

THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM GERMAN OR AUSTRIAN. I PUT ONLY 3 OF THEM.

Selamlar,

Elbette Harp Madalyasinin (Canakkale Madalyasi ) üstündeki mahlas "El Gazi". Ben hiçbir yerde Resad demedim. Lutfen daha once burada yazdigim su yaziyi okuyunuz :

http://gmic.co.uk/in...pic=40119&st=40

Ayrica ayni bolumde 19 ekim 2009 da yazdigim yazida da " Tugra'daki Resad ile Turk Harp Madayasi'ndaki "El Gazi" arasindaki fark" diye belirtmistim.

Yine de bilgi icin tesekkurler.

demir

Hi,

Of course the mahlas on the TWM is El Gazi. I did not say it is Resad anywhere. Please read my threads :

http://gmic.co.uk/in...pic=40119&st=40

Please also see in the same page a thread Posted by me on 19 October 2009 - 00:06 says:

"THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE "RESAD" IN THE TUGRA AND "EL GAZI" ON TWM (Turkish War Medal)."

Thanks for the info anyway

demir

Hello Infantry,

Your right it does say El Gazi, i believe that the Ottoman Sultan who commisioned the TWM ( Sultan V Mehmed Han) also went by the title of Gazi. Not 100% sure, but maybe Demir Abi Or Avsar Abi can validate that.

Regards

Murat

Demir Bey,

Madalyadaki mahlasta Reşad değil el gazi yazıyor bilginize

Hello Tim,

Unlike youself i do not sit in front of a computer making snide remarks at people and questioning their integrity, i should say that you lose your cockiness when adressing people, you might actually make some friends that way.

As i have stated i had contacted the seller about retracting my bid however there was no response to this, so i let it go, and then yes i did not pay for it. As i had fallen ill and have been in hospital i could not attend to my matters for some time (this being the day after i posted a response to you thread), and now that i have been out pf hospital, i went to ebay to rectify this issue and i have been exonerated. And another thing if you look closely at the thread i did not in any way deny that it was me, nor did i attack people for paying high prices, my thread included ann attack on sellers who deliberately advertise for higher than value prices and other sellers using them as a reference to jip people. Like i said i do not have to prove myself to you or to anyone, i have a good name with many people and i do not care for people like yourself attacking my integrity. So in closing i do not care if you "buy my story" or not, i didnt have to say anything but i did, so you can go back to your corner and eagerly think of a way to attack my word.

regards

Murat

ps. get the timeline right sunshine

Hello Murat,

Well, let me see if I got the timeline correct here.

- You placed your bid on May 17th and the auction ran till completion for seven more days, ending on May 24th. Seven days and eBay couldn't help you?? They have a policy on bid retraction stated on eBay's website and all you have to do is notify them and the seller what happened and it's retracted. I know, I did this once a long time ago and it was immediately corrected. Now, if the seller is not changing something or correcting his auction because of the "mistake", then I think for a bid of $999. I would have made sure eBay got it fixed right away, but that's me.

- So, the auction ends on May 24 and you're the high bidder. Then the next day when the thread is running, you post not that you are the person in question and made a mistake and have been trying to correct it, but ... you come in condeming those that pay too much for items on ebay and how you can't believe prices are what they are.

- Now, 18 days later, June 11, you still don't clear up what happened, but call the item out again as relisted so people can start the process all over again. Does that make sense? AND...you wait another 6 days to finally come forward to "give your side" after knowing that most of us here have already identified you as the bidder. I'm sorry, I'm just finding it rather hard to buy your story at this point.

Tim

Hello All,

Seeing as though Tim B has gone on a attack about this guy, there is no need to wait in defending myself. It was me, however, i have not said anything about this till now, as i have been waiting for replies from ebay in regards to this matter. In relation to said item, i had put a bid of $99 dollars for this item as i was not prepared to pay more than that. The system had registered an max bid from myself of $999, and despite several requests from the seller to retract my bid i had no response and the system registered me as the winning bidder at six hundred odd dollars.Ebay has recently contacted me in regards to this matter and has agreed that i was not in the wrong and did my best to rectify this mistake, that is why there is no negative feedback for this item. So in future Tim B if you have concerns about my dealings i should suggest that you address them directly to me, to find out what really happened. I have nothing to hide from anyone, i do not 'jack up' prices for the sake of screwing others around, in all my transactions in the past i have payed for items i have won the very next day, except for two items because i was hospitalised for some time, and the sellers were quite happy to wait. That being said i have many references from leading auction houses throughout the world, and my transactions with them have been more than amicable. That being said, i understand how people can be pissed of by bidders who only bid to screw people, I AM NOT ONE OF THEM.

Best of regards to everyone, good day and salutations.

Murat

ottomanmedal (is there a real name?),

I do see your point, believe me. Let me say first, that I don't go out of my way to spy on other buyers. I only actively "search" this type of information when I suspect something may be amiss, as in this case. As a regular on eBay, I have seen/experienced my fair share of the deals that go slightly off, either due to the seller using the bait & switch of showing an item and sending something completely different, or showing only a partial image and then once you receive it, see what he didn't include and why. Always pays to ask questions first, even with sellers that you have done past business with. When they spell out "ask all questions prior to bidding", that's a indicator that you need to look a little closer.

I also see a lot of repeat customers to certain sellers that always bid prices up fairly high, but then somehow, never seem to win anything, ever. That make me suspicious- A LOT! There are coin dealers that sell on ebay and have been ridiculed, and in a couple cases harrassed, by other "high-end" sellers that don't like someone starting auctions out at .99 and letting an auction run it's normal "auction" course. I have seen emails threatening these guys and eBay gets negative claims about them and eventually they give up and leave. These guys were legit, honest sellers and the system beat them up and down.

Then, there are the guys that do actively spy on you, as Brian alluded to about the guy who knew whenever he bid/won an item. There is a member in Israel that watches my bidding on Japanese items and whenever I bid on something, he is right there within 24 hours out bidding me. I don't know him; figure I must have outbid him on something once and now he's pissed off?? I just learn to come in at the last minute if I really want something. Of course, I have caught him doing it a few times and have jacked the price up in order for him to pay a little extra for the harrassment, but as far as I know, he always honored his bid and followed through with payment.

Demir mentioned these "private" guys. Experience has shown me that if someone wants to keep everything out of sight, there is usually a reason. Why? I guess it depends on the who and where they are. Perhaps some have legitimate concerns on what they are selling and fear if someone that knows them or where they live, they may have in their home broken into and robbed. Then again, it might be guys that are knowingly selling junk and don't want other potential customers to see what they sold, especially if they have multiple like items. Ebay already discontinues showing items after 90 days, these private guys drop the PIC's almost immediately post auction.

Again, in the coin world, I know two high-end sellers (the ones mentioned above btw) that buy cheap (dirt-cheap) and almost immediately turn the same item around for 5-10 X the purchase amount. I was outbid on an item once by one of these guys and after seeing it listed in his auctions and not moving, asked if he would consider a lower amount. The reply was very curt and amounted to "this item is really in exceptional condition and you'll never see these selling for...". Then, I mentioned and linked the initial sale auction and showed exactly what he paid for it and when. Told him that in the future he would be smart to wait the 90 days before rolling something over. No reply but, he immediately pulled his auction. Anyway... I think you can see my point as well?

On the issue of this guy who is reading and has prveiously posted here on the thread. I have already named him initially in my post on 6-14-10, but I removed his full ebay handle when Demir mentioned that he was a member and already posted in this thread. I edited my post to avoid the flame wars, as we don't need that kind of stuff here at GMIC. We know who he is and believe me, he is reading this post.

My personal thoughts are that he is either directly involved in the sale of this item, or one of those guys that just likes to see other collectors get jacked around and then plays the innocent while laughing behind your back. There are a lot of them around unfortuately, but this hobby takes all kinds.

Regards,

Tim

Hey guys, i think i just saw that same TWM again up for auction on ebay.

I too have beenn quite upset at the ridiculous prices being asked and payed for for some items that are way higher than their current market value. (Mind you i said market value, as i as a collector believe these pieces to be priceless sentimenally). Not naming any sites, there is one particular site that is asking for ridiculous prices in the way of Ottoman orders and medals, and other sellers are using his prices to stir up false knowledge when pitching to a potential buyer. Where does it end, well my friends , friends of similar values and like minds are all that are needed. (A few good Gentleman).

with regards

Murat

I'm not sure. I'll let the other members comment.

I have heard bad comments regarding ths site though...

Yeah your right i've heard some pretty unsavoury stuff about this site. Also check out the Osmaniye order on the same site, the one with the fake looking enamel, tell us what you think.

With regards

Murat

well Icna't comment on the medals - but I'm afraid they have already sold. Just checked the website now.

So even if they are good, sorry to say you missed out :-(

dont be sorry, i'm not, ive never seen a red Osmaniye Order before, looks dodgy!

hello my fellow members,

Just found two Red Order of Osmanie for sale on Najafcoins.com, very weird, any comments??

and another of the same

hello my fellow members,

Just found two Red Order of Osmanie for sale on Najafcoins.com, very weird, any comments??

No BS that photo has brought a tear to my eye. Great work!

Here is a very interesting one of a soldier visiting his brothers grave... putting on his EK2 for the occasion..

Thank you Avsar Bey and Demir Bey, your insight is always welcome.

Murat

Hello Murat,

As Avsar said we can not be sure from a picture but from the seal at reverse I think it is made by a jeweller named Halley.

One can see other foreign mades. I think the expert on this subject is Mr. Tim Tezer who is a member and has written an article about Mecidis (although this an Osmani) in JOMSA Vol.55 March/April 2004 Number 2.

Regards

Demir

and another pic

Another pic/

Another pic/

I have Noticed a few pieces for sale in europe of high quality Ottoman Orders, Mainly Mcidiye and Osmaniye, with (Halley, Brundstern) labels on the back as opposed to the darpheniye amire, Are these orginal Pieces.

Thank you for your time,

p.s i am attaching pics

Stogieman i would like to apologise to you in regards to my previous request for purcasing the item off you posted on the wall, i was unaware of procedure. Thank you

Hi Ed, yes, the full Turkish Award document was also enclosed. very heavy paper with magnificent scripting but very much afraid to fully open it and lay it flat........ I think it's been folded since 1917!

Thank you Paul, much appreciated.

with regards

The piece with the toughra on the obverse is an imitation of a gold 500 piastres of Abdul Hamid II and I suggest it was made at a local Turkish jewellers, the other is beyond my ken.

All the best,

Paul

Hi Ed, yes, the full Turkish Award document was also enclosed. very heavy paper with magnificent scripting but very much afraid to fully open it and lay it flat........ I think it's been folded since 1917!

Hello, May i purchase that piece off u?, i expect a no, but no harm in trying as now i have 4 Osmanie's in my collection

Regards

Hello every1, need help identifying these medals, never seen them before,.http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-9492-127051769801.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-9492-127051777568.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-9492-127051790112.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-9492-127051798531.jpg