Sergio

It's a fake 

Another fake from "sammler-arsenal" with the legend: "Große 6er Ordenspange, Uffz. Dragoner-Rgt. 19"

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Grose-6er-Ordenspange-Uffz-Dragoner-Rgt-19-Interessante-grose-Spange-/171803575615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item28004a853f

After and before "upgrade"  :

Sorry, but it's a fake.

Hallo Gents!

Who can show this "Bavarian Red cross medal"? I have no idea what is this

Thanks in Advance

Gents, many thanks for your comments!

Firefighter from Augsburg

Also a possibility is that this medal bar was assembled recently with new ribbons (or ribbons that would not pass a UV light test) and it's a fake, maybe coming from Austria, as they are known to be very efficient with the productions of such bars... Is there a picture of the back?

C

I don't see any sign of a fake. The ribbon #4 is not modern, UV - negative. Sewing looks original, one thread around the perimeter.

Could be the Austrian (KuK) Red Cross Medal?

I think it's the only possible medal I can think of...

Hello Claudio,

many thanks for your reply! I've thought about this austrian medal, but there is no white stripes on the sides of my ribbon,

Hello Sergio:

A very interesting medal group. In my opinion, the ribbon is NOT Bavarian. It is the same as the ribbon for Hessen-Darmstadt Arts and Sciences merit medals and for Hessen-Darmstadt Fire Brigade medals. It may be impossible to ever know exactly what was there originally. Perhaps our resident Hessian expert Rudi will have some ideas?

Best regards,

Hello,

many thanks for your reply. Here's the full ribbon

I can see no ribbon like mine...

Medal for the Golden Wedding of King Ludwig III and Queen Marie Therese.

Thank you for the reply. But what the medal do you mean? Those two medals with the similar name, which I know, have the other ribbons

The ribbon

Hello Gents,

what do you think about the last ribbon. Something for firemen?

Thanks in advance

Not possible for me due to German copyright laws, but users from other countries may be free to do... it would indeed be better for future references.

Ok

I've just bought this interesting and rare Hindenburg Cross for my collection. It's made out of zinc. No any marks.

Sergio and saschaw,

I had to dig through some records, but I did find out that I bought this medal bar from "hagekna41" a few years ago. Thank you for pointing out it is a fake.

Dean

This faker uses one and the same version of well recognizable modern dark blue ribbon for Ludwig's cross. The ribbon for the peace-time BMVK is not the original too. Just look at the edges of the ribbons.

Another fake from "sammler-arsenal"

http://www.ebay.de/itm/4er-Ordenspange-eines-Balkankampfers-/181064210270?pt=Militaria&hash=item2a2844975e#ht_3780wt_1037

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Hello to everyone,

Small, but nice.

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Dean

Sorry, but it looks like the production of well known eBay-faker "hagekna41". As I can see ribbons are modern synthetic.

Gents, now please take look at the ribbonbar of this bavarian. The ribbon for the 4th award is the three-colored. It consists of three strips of identical width of white-green-red color. It reminds me a ribbon for a duchy Angalt medal "Fuer Treue in der Arbeit". Could it be this medal?

I mean this medal

Gents, now please take look at the ribbonbar of this bavarian. The ribbon for the 4th award is the three-colored. It consists of three strips of identical width of white-green-red color. It reminds me a ribbon for a duchy Angalt medal "Fuer Treue in der Arbeit". Could it be this medal?

Hi,

it should be something like Bulgaria, Order of Civil Merit

https://www.militaria-agent.com/catalog/BULGARIA_CZARDOM_CIVIL_MERIT_ORDER_6TH_CLASS_WITHOUT_CROWN_IN_AWARD_CASE_e.html

Uwe

Thank you Uwe,

I've already think about the version of Bulgarian award for "Civil merits", but the ribbons are strongly differ. The colouring is similar, but proportions are absolutely different

The unknown ribbon with real proportions

Hello Gents!

What do you think about the last award? What is it? I've never seen such ribbon before.

Thanks in advance

I will say one thing, if the bar is a post-war "fake," the guy sure went to a lot of trouble to make one rough-looking medal bar!

Stories, unfortunately, are often just that. For example a number of familiy military items came down to me - WWI and WWII - from both sides of my familly. Some of the medals were attributed to my maternal grandfather when all the time they belonged to my dad's father! It just took a little resarch to straighten things out - and a Militaer Pass and Soldbuch.

In my opinion, you don't understand the problem you try to argue

I found this medal bar during a search for a Hessen Long Service Medal on a parade bar. Boy, where do I begin? Do I start with the German swords on the Austrian medal / ribbon? How about the NCO long service award on the same medal bar with a medal - Tapferkeitskreuz - awarded only to officers? By the way, the jump-ring on the bravery medal is much too small.

The Spange zum 125 jährigen Regimentsjubiläum was awarded to 200 "older" officers and only 9 NCO's.

Draw your own conclusions my friends, but I hope that not too much money changed hands with this transaction!

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