Unknown shoulder boards

[David S]

These were ID'd by the seller as possibly German . . . or British. So far I've come up empty.

Can anyone ID?

Thanks for looking.

[David S]

close up of the crown and button

[Chip]

It looks extremely similar to the Bavarian Hartschiere NCOs shoulder board. Black velvet, silver button, lace and crown. The crown should be gilt, however, and the picture of the board in Das Deutsche Heer shows two edgings of lace, not one. Perhaps there was a lower rank?

Chip