Nick

Detlev had quite a few of these for sale last year, I had a look at them but passed on them.

I have a similar type Meissen medallion which was for the 1933 Reichsparteitag

It is within the European Section so only captures those European Countries which border the Med.

Posting this on behalf of Angela who is researching this story any help gratefully received:

East Anglian Daily Times

Monday November 16 1914

British Officer?s Iron Cross

Wounded German rescued under fire.

Paris, Saturday.

One of the noblest and at the same time, most dramatic stories of battle-field heroism that the war is likely to produce reached Paris today. It is as follows:

During a recent combat German troops attacked the British trenches but were repulsed. They retired to their own trenches, taking with them their wounded, but one of the latter was overlooked and left behind. A comrade, observing him, left the German trenches to effect a rescue, but was almost immediately killed by the British fire, a score of bullets piercing him.

A British officer, however, realised the situation and, having given the order

?cease fire? himself went out into the open to pick up the wounded German. He was struck by several bullets and badly wounded, but the Germans as soon as they saw what his object was, also ordered the ?cease fire?. Thereupon the British officer staggered to the fallen man and carried him to the German lines.

A German officer received him with a salute and, calling for cheers, pinned upon the breast of the British hero an Iron Cross. Then the Britisher returned to his own trenches.

He was recommended for the Victoria Cross for this notable example of chivalry, but succumbed to his wounds.

Signed Alfred J Rorke, Central News.

Wouldn't mind the full size group to go with that one

I agree that an International Forum makes black and white issues a shade of grey depending on the political, religious, moral and social values of the participant and the main reason for not having political or religious debate on the forum.

The silence from the International Community during the Falklands War was deafening to both sides, Argentina & Britain were very much left on their own to fight it out. Whether this was because of split allegiances, the arms deals brokered with both sides or a clear disapproval of the military action (by either side) is a matter of semantics and history.

Let us hope that this thread doesn't morph into something ugly, political, and jingoistic.

I think this war unlike many was a pretty clear cut affair, the invasion by one nation onto another nations Soverign Territory. Yes the political wrangling of which country governs these bleak islands in the middle of the South Atlantic has raged for centuiries and will likely go on for a few more. But when political debate turns into a military invasion there is really little option but to go to war. British opinion was behind this at the time and still is today.

Both sides fought and died for what they thought was right, (sadly many Argentinians soldiers were conscripts who had no choice in the matter), and I think it is right that we honour both sides and remember the futility, but at the same time perhaps acknowledge the necessity of warfare.

I have only just come across this topic. I love these before and after photos, so I could not resist in doing the ghostly image.

Nick

Interesting, I didn't know that was in Berlin. I am amazed it has not been knocked down as it looks derelict, but like some of the flak towers maybe it is too much trouble to do so.

You will find the attachment points of pins on tinnies done in various methods.

I accept that, especially with the solid backed tinnies. However I really just wanted to query the hollow backed tinnies which seem to use solder as the main method of attachment. From what you are saying solder was a period method of attaching pins to hollow backed badges.

Another crude soldered job. Possible repair ?

Another soldered item a little less crude this time.

Crude solder job. A repair or a recognised attachment method for a cheaply manuactured day badge ?

The first being an officially recognised tinnie/award would have been made to a higher specification hence the probable stronger pin.

Robert has raised an interesting point for me which has made me wonder about the attachment of the pins to some hollow backed tinnies.

Many hollow backed tinnies that I have seen or owned have the pin attached by a rather crude solder method. Some I know are less crudely soldered and have a tin plate holding the pin on, much like most enamel membership pin badges. My query is, are the crudely soldered pins resoldered repairs done by a collector in recent years or even contemporary repairs done at the time or was/is this a recognised method of pin attachment as done originally by the manufacturer.

I have included some examples. I am eager to be pointed in the right direction I have always thought it was the latter. If is a repair job to me it is unlikely to be contemporary as unless the tinnie became an official or semi official award it was only worn for the event, so who would bother repairing something that would no tbe worn again ? which makes the modern repair the more likely, if thats what it is and not a crude manufacturing job.

The guy who sold me the Braunschweig tinnie said at the time that he thought the pin had been repaired. I wasn't bothered as I thought it was the method of manufacture. Please tell me if I have been misguided on this as I have been collecing tinnies for a number of years and I have a few of these hollow backed tinnies all with solder jobs.

Any of these medals or boxes makers marked, it would be nice to catalogue some manufacturers ?

I found a modern version, for comparison http://cgi.ebay.at/Abzeichen-DRK-Wasserwac...1QQcmdZViewItem

Another 5 for you

Thanks a lot Seems to be the same organisation, gives me a few leads to follow.

The badge above is quite a small lapel badge.

I presume this belongs in this category, it came with a job lot of medals I bought.

Anyone know if these are still given out today ?

Where does this small membership badge fall within this ?

Can't find any reference to this badge. Anyone seen one before ?

Another make.

Very nice pin, is that the box of issue and does it have any wording on it ?

Thanks

Guys

Can I remind you all to act like Gentlemen. There is no need for accusations and incivility from EITHER party.

Greg you are entitled to your opinion on this matter, but it has to be said that when a new member turns up and within eight posts starts to cast aspertions on the credibility of internationally known leading collector (and I am leaving Doc out of the equation) it makes me wonder at your motives ?

I am sure that you have your own credentials, but come on let us all establish them before you go in at the deep end.

I am glad that you have tried to support your statement, but you give no mention on the provenance of your own posted award, which as far as I know could have been made yesterday ! We need some objectivity here and before peoples names are tarnished with sweeping statements we need a lot more proof than you are offering.

It is nice to see someone who says he has got knowledge of these awards join the forum, but I think you seriously need to establish some credibility with the other members here before you challenge what you perceive to be a bad group, when everyone else so far thinks its good.