Dave B

Hopefully Darrell will have a little more knowledge than me..

I do know that they come in 1st & 2nd patterns, that there are various makers, Lauer, Redo, B&NL to name a few..

Mine are a mixture of both 1st & 2nd pat's, I suppose I should really get hold of one of each pattern to make the set complete..

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There are 3 patterns John!

Type 1. has the inscription "Eigentum des Chefs des Ausdildungswesens"

(Property of the Head of Physical Conditioning) and dates from 1934-35

Type 2. Has the inscription "Eigentum der SA-Sportabzeichen-Hauptstelle"

(Property of the SA Sport Badge Head Department) and dates from 1935-1939

Type 3. Has the inscription "Eigentum der Obersten SA-Fuhrung"

(Property of the SA Supreme Command) and dates from 1939 -1944

Dave

Jim, that's right. Voided and cut out badges are the same.

Dave, you should also recognise the black cut out badge. Don't you think they look much better here than they did up north?   

Tony

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Oh yeah,you had the cut out black from me as well.....I forgot I have a few wound badges left though,here is a silver standard.

Dave

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Dave,

I'm afraid I haven't heard of him.

Jim

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You need to watch a Brit tv programme called Bargain Hunt,a cult classic mate!

Dave

Well, for once I didn't get the  "Sorry sold" message from Detlev, and this little Zimmermann beauty will soon be winging its way to Scotland.

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Congrats Gordon,nice cross mate!! wub.gif

Dave

Thanks for the info Gordon wub.gif

I wish it was still possible to buy EK's that cheap,but then again if you look hard enough......you just never know!

Dave

Nice badges! That silver non voided looks familiar Tony,I wonder where I have seen that before!

Thanks again.

Dave,

Bobby Dazzler??  I love it.

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"Cheap as chips and its a right bobby dazzler" as said by the great David Dickinson ......are you telling me Jim that you haven't heard of "The Duke"?

I'm sure my fellow Brit members will know who I am on about.

Cheers

Dave

Beautiful cross Jim mate!

Dave

Here's a couple that Panzerman likes 

Cheers

Don

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Jim's not the only one that likes them!!...very nice Don. Are they maker marked?

Dave

WOW!!!!! What can I say John but cheers mate :food-smiley-004: absolutely fantastic!!

If you get bored again I won't mind at all if you colour the Leutnant photo

Cheers

Dave

No Dave, just the ribbon and cross.

I've been told she didn't want it anyway and just stuffed it in a draw. Great aunt Karoline was from the anti Adolf side. Lucky she didn't chuck it eh.

Tony

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Have you got the citation to go with it mate?

Dave

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Good luck with the wife Jim,I suggest a big expensive present to soften her up before you say you are getting a display cabinet!!

Here is a scan of the Leutnant,the framed photo is that big it wouldn't all fit in the scanner.

Dave

Dave,

Love that photo.  A father and son??

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Yes I think so Jim,I also have a large framed studio portrait of the Leutnant by himself and a smaller prewar photo of the Dad.

Dave

Dave,

I've seen brass centre crosses in attributed Army and Luftwaffe groupings too. I dare say that KM people may well have specifically asked for brass centred pieces if they were buying additional examples, but they were not made specifically for the Navy.

Gordon

Cheers Gordon! BTW do you know what the price was back then for a private purchase EK1 with case?

Dave

I'm just going to guess, and say Terrance???

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Hmm,could be!

Dave

Dave,

If I wasn't broke at the moment, I would have snatched that brass EKI you have.

Nice minty cross and packet Tony!...is the ribbon made up for wearing?....like with a press stud or something similar?

Dave

Don't know the maker Tony, but a very, very nice piece. Brass centred EK2s don't turn up every day.

Here are my brass centred EK1s. The one at left is unmarked, the one at right (which has a replaced pin) is an L/19.?

Some of you will know I don't like LDO marked pieces (except for U-Boat badges where I will take anything thats going !!), BUT the fact that it is an LDO piece is made up for by the fact it belonged to a German Cross winning U-Boat commander. In fact they both did.

The one at left is from Oberleutnant Heinrich Niemeyer of U-547 and at right from Kapit?nleutnant Franz-Georg Reschke of U-205.

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Gordon,is it just a coincidence that the above brass cored EK's belonged to Kriegsmarine men?I know the old wives tale about KM personnel having brass core EK's because they wouldn't rust in the sea air but seeing attributed crosses like yours makes me wonder if it might be true.

Cheers

Dave

Dave, whats that roll of paper in the box to the right? The paper the MC came in?

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That Darrell mate is an unissued full length piece of Mother Cross ribbon still in its tissue wrap!

Cheers

Dave

close up of bar,its a bit fuzzy due to being scanned through glass...I am unable to take the photo out of the frame without damaging it.

Dave

I was looking at this framed pic that I own and have only just noticed that the Hauptmann is wearing a first pattern EK2 spange.

Anyone else got a pic of 1st pattern bars being worn?

Cheers

Dave

Here we go, These are relly underrated in so far as aestetic's go

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I agree Laurence,a truly beautiful award and most definitely underrated!

Dave

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These awards are great,I have a boxed one!

Dave