Monty

Interesting thread.

Can I ask, does anyone know when the issuing of cuffs to individual UK constables came in? 1980s? Or am I way out?

I know they were used in sub divisions, and kept in operational vehicles.

Cheers

Monty

Hi Monty

I too saw this photo for sale on Ebay. I am 90% certain that it is not of a police officer and certainly not from a railway company. When I saw it and spoke with the seller, I concluded that it was a telegram boy. Hope that this helps. Steve

Hi Steve,

Firstly, many apologies for such a delayed reply from me. I have been a tad busy.

Secondly, many thanks. I think you are correct, a telegram boy would fit the bill.

Monty

Hi all,

I have, until 2 years ago, been working with the CoLP museum at Wood St.

There was an issue with funding (as I'm sure you are all aware, cutbacks have hit the public sector hard, the police being no exception) and this impacted on a proposed CoLP museum re-vamp. I know they proposed to expand into the cells at Wood st, due to the fact they no longer met EU specifications however I don't know if that has gone through.

I know they sell of bits and bobs to aid funding.

The Met have opened up a Heritage centre on Lillie Road, just down from West Brompton tube. I've been a few times and reccomend it.

http://www.metpolicehistory.co.uk/met-police-heritage-centre.html

Monty

Has anyone come across a stamp marked "JWB & Co" on their Bulls Eye ?

Monty

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Thanks Mervyn, I may try West Brompton, see if they know. Monty

Yes Andrew, I got mine from Mr Storey also. I have mine framed, pending the appropriate helmet. If you could give me the Collar letter suppliers details Id be grateful. There is someone I know who may be interested. Thanks you. Hi Colin, Yep, got your PM. I'll give you the heads up at the end of the week as per our 'chat'. Again, many thanks. Monty

Hi Mervyn,

Indeed. I'm well aquainted with Met prefixes and this one I've never come across. Made me wonder what it could be (hence my desperate South Wales guess) and if its a Railway, Market or Dock reference. However I'm not sure of that.

Tis a puzzler.

Monty

That's very kind of you Dave, thank you. I signed copy huh? Brilliant. Rather than discuss the vulgar subject of money here can I PM you?

Indeed Mervyn

A friend of mine highly reccomended your book and during the same conversation expressed his frustration that there are not more out there like that.

I'm having to pick up bits and bobs off the internet and the sage words off contributors here. No offence to anyone however it would be nice to have something tangible I can pick up and put down.

Monty

Thanks Dave,

Yeah, I was really just thinking what it could be.

The photo isn't mine so I shall seek permission.

Thanks for replying.

Monty

Hi all,

A friend has come across an 1880 photo of a very young PC with a Collar no SW12.

He initially felt it was a Met PC due to the photographer coming from Pimlico.

However I've never seen a Met SW collar prefix. I suspect its South Wales or a specific duty PC.

Any help will be gratefully received.

Many thanks

Monty

Andrew,

I've managed to obtain the same helmet plate. I suspect we share the same supplier.

As a side issue, PC 171 H arrested a man outside Commercial St nick during September 88, he was becoming abusive due to the fact his mate had been arrested (I suspect this was Pizer aka leather Apron).

So you have a little back story to your chosen collar number.

Mervyn,

Where and how can one obtain a copy of your book?

Kind regards all,

Monty

Thank you Brian,

You are very welcome.

Monty

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Hey Brian,

Ok, I will.

I must stress that it has been heavily edited and cropped, so doesn't read as I intended it. Also I apologise for the errors you experts will undoubtedly note. In my defence, the deadline given to me was extremely tight.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/ripper-street/2012/12/13/the-h-division/

Regards

Monty

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As you know Mervyn, I'm a Ripperologist who has an interest in the Policing of that era. There's bits in that training film the boys of 1888 would recognise.

Monty

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Hey Megan,

Many thanks

Here is a British Council film - Man on the Beat - which was shot in Birmingham.

http://film.britishcouncil.org/the-man-on-the-beat

Cheers

Monty

There's a TV series in the UK just started called "Ripper Street", set in Whitechapel in 1889. Main character had an oil lamp which he used several times, but the light coming out of it was very steady, white and bright - almost like there was a bulb and battery in it rather than oil or candle (which gives off a much less stable and yellowish light)...

Yeah, torch within the lamp. Classic TV trick.

I did a write up for BBC America on the real H Division in relation to this TV series. Its crude and basic, as per my remit Im afraid, I had to pander to the Americans. I wont post the link here as this isnt the thread.

Monty

Fascinating Brian,

Many thanks for this education.

Monty

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Cheers Brian,

I've seen it quoted in a few books so thought there may be a grain of truth in it however in all practicalities, its nigh on impossible in my opinion.

Thanks Mervyn,

I've seen the plans to Commercial Street nick and it does indeed have a Lamp Room. Nice to have a bit of background, thanks.

Monty

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It shall be my pleasure Mervyn,

However it shall not be until after March, as that is my Birthday month.

Monty

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Andrew, Brian,

Many thanks for your replies chaps, very enlightening (pun intended I'm afraid)

With improvements in mind, I'm sure the manufacturors evolved the design through the years, however is the possibility of 'home improvement' a viable one? Would they have adapted their own pieces of lamp kit?

Also, I've heard stories of cans of tea being stored in the lamp to keep them warm. I find this nigh on impossible, surely that's a myth? Mine certainly has limited room within the inner shell, only enought for the oil resevior.

Monty

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I think that's my Birthday present sorted Jim.

Monty

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Andrew,

When running my lamp, I have the same experience. Ok to hold at the handles, cowling gets extremely hot.

I believe a leather guard was used when the lamp was worn upon the belt. I've never seen one of these, has anyone else?

Is it looped through the belt or part of the belt itself?

Apologies for the questions.

Monty

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Fascinating Brian,

Many thanks for the education.

Do you do many repairs?

Monty

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Possiby Head Constable Sky?

Without seeing the uniform or knowing the era its hard to guess.

Kind regards

Monty

PS,

I'd be interested in your books details Paul.

Monty