Jani Tiainen

Hello,

After doing some research and comparing these 2nd class crosses, which started this topic, I am quite sure they are also made by S&L

Jani

Jani, it does seem that the Baden ribbon was often used as a "close enough" substitute by tailors who did not have the Finnish ribbon in stock. I even have a medal bar where they appear to have used it for the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class, which makes even less sense:

That is correct. I have seen the same.

Jani

Hi,

The department of antiquities is ongoing a long project to digitalize material and organize it. Some of the material has been made available in public, like regimental diaries. I am afraid they will not make medal cards public as they do not do with the "kantakortti" service records. That material has information that is considered personal and even now can not be obtained without permission, especially if the person is still alive. Big problem for them is however, that they dont know who is alive.

You need permission from family or excuse (Which means you are making historical research) to order the service records. I have ordered dozens of those and I have encountered one who was court martialed fo shooting POW's and some who have been fleeing from the front. They dont want details like this to be spread freely expecially if the person is alive.

What comes to award cards, the current process is the following: First you have to request the lot number from secretary of the Order of the cross of Liberty - you need to know the name and year of birth helps. Then they will tell you lot number where you will find carton of award cadfs in alpabetical order. There are lots of lots...Even complicated, this process has worked.

Jani

Thanks Chuck,

I noticed that first one on collectrussia. Every dealer web site should visit there to see how items should be pictured.

Jani

Jani,

I personally like the Avers 8 book a lot and it's the most complete work on Soviet badges to date.

I've attached a couple of pages to give you a basic impression of the catalog. On the first page you can see the badge for the capture of Karelian Isthmus, which supposedly wasn't even produced, but seems that some prototype variants are out and the price matches that. The prices are indicated in US dollars, but they are a little off.

Thanks!

I have thought the designs were made and perhaps tools, but I have never even heard of actual original badge - even a prototype to exists. Somebody even told me that some of the current fakes would have been made with original dies (?) Is that picture on Aver described as original prototype?

I got to get Avers 8, my latest is #4.

Jani

Hello,

I found good article about OSOAVIAKhiM badges, which even translated well with Google. However I dont know the source, so comments on credibility of this article would be appreciated. (I have never seen so many ads in one page

http://valerikon01.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-post_4501.html

By the way. Good idea to search for information with the language you dont know is to put certain term to google picture search. I used term "OSOAVIAKhiM badge" in russian with cyrillic letters and found of lot of interesting stuff through pictures.

Jani

Finnish medal of Liberty 2nd class ribbon has narrower yellow stripes so not that one. Also the medal of Liberty was given for enlisted ranks only.

Jani

Hello,

You can send query to the Order of the Cross of Liberty, and the data is there. Unfortunately some part of the archives is currently under digitalizing and therefore all award cards are not accessible until its done. Send me PM and I can forward your inquiry to friend of mine who do these kind of researches. He knows the current situation.

Jani

One more,

This is likely some Competition badge, but I would like to know exactly what?

I would appreciate all the help,

Jani

Best for the last:

These I believe are original, however I would be happy if someone would translate what the engraving on the reverse says?

This one I have absolutely no idea. I have one book about Soviet badges (Printed in 2002) and I would be happy to get suggestions of better ones Does the latest Avers have good pictures of originals?

Another: Two slightly different badges, which I have found so many different names, that I only dare to ask what might be the official one

Are these another type of Voroshilov badges awarded by OSOAVIAKhiM, since I think that name is in these and the previous one?

At least neither was among the tons of different fakes I found.

Dear Friends,

Attached pictures of some Cavalry and horse riding badges. I have problems (as usual to identify them all most of all... authenticate.

First: Voroshilov Horseman badge

Dear Friends,

The topic says the name of this badge, but can you tell me for what it was actually given? And could the one pictured be original?

Jani

Suvorov 2nd class with doc - awarded to unit, not for person.

I will post some pictures now and more tomorrow. I assume its fake, but I cant make decision since I am novice with the documents and order itself looks good - for me it looks like mix of two variations, not exactly like any pictured in mondvor, but still something I need to check from better experts.It is gold.

Jani

Hello,

Checking these items has been quite a job and I am still in the middle of it. The ones I dont want to keep myself will go. Just send me a message if there is something special you are looking for.

Right now I am in struggle with the Suvorov 2nd class...and 1st class of the "...for personal bravery" - the latter is most likely good, unissued... but Suvorov... I cant decide...

Looks like this "collection" is not that "nice", Jani.

Fakes (post #2-3) + (at the very least) doctored orders (post #1, post #4)

Cheers,

Nick

Thanks,

I totally agree - however I have only went through 20% of the items. There are a lot of "not-so-rare" but original stuff like Friendship between Nations, October Revolution, dozens of Orders of the Patriotic wars and so on - but also a lot fakes eq. all the partisan medals. I will keep you posted.

Jani

This is reproduction, however quality is good.

Red Star, 1st type

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Some early badge of honours and and one early Order of the Red banner of labour... I will spend a lot of time with these during next weeks... Sorry for some blurry pictures, these were taken only for inventory purposes. I will get better if needed.

Red Banner of Labour

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Badge of honour PB 4753. I did not find any type like this with straight Mondvor mark. I guess its no good sign...

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Badge of honour 28825

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I have not had time to examine these carefully

Edited:

After searching variants through Mondvor I found problems with all, especially the first Red Banner...

Are you looking to sell any pieces from this collection? Anything with a mongolia or albania connection?

I only collect Soviet awards that were awarded for fighting against Finns. There might be some but I dont know before I do research for those.. There is one Suche Bator and five different Polar Stars - nothing from Albania.

Jani

I will post more later!

5) This is nice, Lenin, screwback (T3, V2 at Mondvor)

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4.) This is tricky: The Order of Red Banner "4"

I can clearly see this award has had loop, that is removed and screw added to the reverse. There might be something done to the number as well.

But is this 100% or reproduction or did someone make the later variation "4" to look alike old type? The price difference is huge, so that is possibility. Anybody?

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3) The Order of Kutuzov 2nd class with document. Also in the document: The Order of Red Banner

Kutuzov is copy. There is no red banner with this number in the collection.

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2.) The Order of Glory, so called border reverse type.

I believe this is reproduction. Notes say it was purchased from Estonia in 1997. #473

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for comparison: the same variation I had had couple of years ago.