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    saschaw

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    1. On 26/04/2023 at 02:26, GMU said:

      Potos are not that great because of bad lighting. Piece is made of bronze.

      I'm sorry to say so, but this piece looks rather suspicious to me! The signature should, to my knowledge, read "O. SCHULTZ" and is way less apparent, sometimes close to invisible.

       

      Here's a steel example I handled a while ago... despite the obverse being the same for bronze and steel medals, these two medals cannot originate from the same die...

       

      :(

       

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    2. On 17/04/2023 at 23:49, saschaw said:

      (...) not much similarity to the 1813 issues. Those had very distinct core designs (...)

      Here's a prime example of what an authentic 1813 cross roughly should look like. Of course, there are variations as well, but the general design of the cast iron core won't differ too much...

       

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    3. I was surprised he wouldn't have received a decoration from Baden during the "Great War", so I checked there. And indeed, he was awarded something: the Großkreuz mit Schwertern of the Orden Berthold des Ersten, on June 20, 1917. That's a very high and very uncommon honor, Volle (p. 219) gives a total of 25 awarded.

       

      :whistle:

       

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    4. On 03/10/2022 at 23:33, scottplen said:

      I assume Prussian in a Baden regiment?

      I almost agree with Scott: his two-place bar, certainly to a career EM or NCO, could, from the precedence, well be to a Prussian! A Baden native within a Baden unit of the XIV. Armee-Korps would rather wear the Baden merit medal in front of the Centenary medal than vice versa. Also, this medal bar probably would have been worn with an additional pre-1913 long service award below it - Prussian or Baden type depending on the man's unit.

       

       

      On 05/10/2022 at 04:26, VtwinVince said:

      This could have been either a parent who lost a son or a surviving brother.

      Besides the mentioned fact no one could apply for two crosses even if they technically qualified twice, brothers were not eligible for the next of kin crosses! Those were meant for parents and widows only, as is reflected by their official full name Ehrenkreuz für die Witwen und Eltern gefallener, an den Folgen von Verwundung oder in Gefangenschaft verstorbener oder verschollener Kriegsteilnehmer. Never awarded to orphans either, by the way!

       

      :whistle:

       

    5. On 06/09/2022 at 16:14, Simius Rex said:

      Well... maybe yes, maybe no.  The opening in your cross is so big, I could drive a truck through it, in a manner of speaking. With an opening so large, it really becomes difficult to determine if swords were ever attached to this cross... or not. 

      Not sure how your driving capability could affect the authenticity of this Bavarian cross...

       

      ;)

       

      Authentic pieces are not determined by the extent of the opening, but by the proper maker, proper die condition, proper maker's marks, and - in this mounted group - by a combination that fits the few known awardees. A shame it didn't come with any documentation or even a hint to its former owner! By the way, this very bar will be featured in the decades-long awaited and soon-to-be published work by Sascha Zimmermann.

       

       

      On 06/09/2022 at 17:53, spolei said:

      I have an evaluation of the VOBl. of a collector colleague with the names of the persons in favour. I checked again, there are not 18 but 25 (please excuse this).

      It's odd everyone has different numbers! Bernd Döbel created his statistics from the original rolls in the Munich archive. Just another reason I really can't wait for SZ's books any longer...

       

    6. 13 minutes ago, saschaw said:

      How about Hauptmann Wendt from Landwehrbezirk I Breslau?

      The 1877 Ordens-Liste has two Wendts with an EK2w, a Feld-Magazin-Rendant b. d. General-Etappen-Inspektion d. 3. Armee Julius Eduard Hermann Wendt, and a Feld-Proviantmeister beim 6. Armee-Korps Karl Friedrich Hermann Wendt (both: p. 1246). No idea which of these two is "mine"... and if it is his group.

       

    7. 23 minutes ago, Dave Danner said:

      Even when I'm in Karlsruhe, it's not a 10-minute trip. I usually end up staying at the Ibis in Durlach. Finding a parking place near the archives takes a little time, as well.

      Totally get that, and don't even have a car of my own. I sincerely hope I can make myself a bit more useful with phaleristic Baden research in the near future...!

       

      :blush:

       

    8. I love happy endings! A group we feared might have been lost forever, reappears more than a decade later - just like a phoenix!

       

      It took me a while to notice the Bavarian St. Michael is mounted with an improper ribbon. I'm not sure, but wouldn't the LD2 rather be the Prussian type, as Dr. Wehner was an officer?

       

      Hessen-Darmstadt's (as Baden's!) Reserve- and Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung was for EM and NCOs only. So, another improper ribbon, I'd assume - nothing unheard of, especially with those petty states' long service awards!

       

      :wacky:

       

      By the way, I took the liberty to merge Christophe's first thread from 2005 with his second 2009 attempt and also added the mystery solution to the thread title...

       

    9. How about Hauptmann Wendt from Landwehrbezirk I Breslau? In the 1900 Royal Prussian army rank list, he's listed with RAO4, KO3, KO4w, EK2w and LD1.

       

      An RKM3 is still missing, but he might have added that later...

       

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      My next rank list is from 1902, in which I could not find him. Neither is he listed in the 1904/05 or 1908/09 issues of Deutscher Ordens-Almanach. Komtur, might you maybe have a look into the Ordens-Listen?

       

      :whistle:

       

      10 hours ago, CRBeery said:

      Can you explain the Königlich-Preußische Ordensliste? I am wondering if this was a state publication that listed all holders of an award until death (...)

      The Königlich Preußische Ordens-Liste was the official source that listed all recipients of Prussian awards that were alive to the date of publishing.

       

      In contrast to the commercially published Ordens-Alamanach, no one had to pay to be listed here. Thus, it's probably our best source for questions like this.

       

    10. I do understand what you're saying, and I tend to agree. Sorry, man! Two fakes out of three crosses is disappointing. One thing though, regarding the "sharp details": Please keep in mind these were struck from a relatively soft alloy with a high rate of tin, and when heavily polished, lose much of that sharpness. Still, their surface should never look grainy, of course...

       

    11. On 17/04/2023 at 16:39, Deutschritter said:

      Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion (Orden vom Zähringer Löwen), Knight's Cross I. Class (BZL3a/BZ3a)

      He received the Zähringer Löwe as Major vom Generalstab des XIV. Armeekorps on Jan 15, 1895. Here are the respective entries from Baden's Staats-Anzeiger für das Großherzogthum Baden...

       

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      On 17/04/2023 at 16:39, Deutschritter said:

      (by the way, which star is he wearing on this picture from 1924? Sorry about the quality.)

      From the list you posted, I would assume it's one of his Prussian 1st class stars, but...

       

      :wacky:

       

    12. On 02/04/2023 at 10:16, webr55 said:

      Asking some specialists: I understand that the design of the Siam Crown Order changed in 1909, is it correct that this is a pre-1909 piece, like the two others above?

      Not a specialist for Siamese awards, but from my source, Borna Barac's "Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945. Part IV – Gold Book, P – Z.", p. 1760 to 1762, this type was used from 1873 to 1941.

       

      I have never heard of any Siam design change in 1909?!

       

      :unsure:

       

    13. On 03/04/2023 at 03:59, Simius Rex said:

      The Waldeck and Schwarzburg on the bar you posted are fakes.

      As is, almost certainly, the Sachsen-Weimar merit cross of the House Order of the White Falcon!

       

      :(

       

      Despite the initial question being obsolete, I want to answer: Yes, I think such a combination of three rare NCO and junior officer awards would most likely be unique and attributable, given Daniel Krause and late Rick Lundström published lists for two of these tree petty states: Both Saxon-Weimar and Waldeck were done in 2oo8!

       

    14. 10 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

      HOWEVER... you will never convince me (...) that a Traeger who places the St Henry ribbon first, thereby setting the "tone" for the whole bar, will then place a Prussian EK before a Friedrich August Medaille.

      As said, I learned there is no rule without an exception, but we can agree it would be a lot(!) of work to find one authentic ribbon or medal bar demonstrating such a mess within a  Saxon's home state's bravery or war decorations - and it's certainly not worth the effort, just to prove a minor point in my argument.

       

      ;)

       

    15. What a beauty! Hasn't this cross been published and discussed before, like in the mid-1980s? It looks quite unusual, especially with the anachronistic italics. Do you consider it an award-type cross? I think it was addressed back then as a privately purchased variation, which wasn't uncommon to the era - so possibly a unique piece... ?! I might misremember this, so please feel free to correct me!

       

      ;)

       

    16. On 13/04/2023 at 04:48, Deutschritter said:

      (...) can anyone add (...) more decorations (at least one more neck order?) ...?

      The third neck order worn in this portrait is a Komturkreuz of Mecklenburg's Greifenorden, but I don't know when he got it, nor do I know if he received it from Mecklenburg-Schwerin or from Mecklenburg-Strelitz. Besides usually being from different makers, these would not differ from each other anyway...

       

      :wacky:

       

      On 13/04/2023 at 04:48, Deutschritter said:

      Iron Cross (1870), 2nd and 1st Class

      Are you sure? I cannot find any "Mueller" (nor a "Müller" with fitting first names) in the list published by Markus Bodeux on the DGO homepage. Also, it's irritating he doesn't wear it...

       

    17. Without a doubt an authentic cross, but an authentic WW1 era cross, with not much similarity to the 1813 issues. Those had very distinct core designs not repeated for later crosses.

       

      This 1914 design, however, is usually found in crosses by Berlin court jewelers Jean Godet & Sohn, and similarly with crosses by the as well Berlin-based Paul Meybauer company.

       

      It's a sad thing and a shame some people destroy authentic WW1 crosses to generate a nonsense like this.

       

      :violent:

       

    18. 19 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

      Hagekna41, however, had one shortcoming... he constantly struggled with getting the order of precedence right, even though it was apparent (to me, at least) that he was trying his best to get it right.  The fact is, he rarely got it right. 

      I'm glad we seem to find common ground here, but still have to touch upon a problem: I'm not buying into the precedence argument. From what I have seen over the years, ribbon and medal bar makers (not all, but way too many!) did not know or did not care, and mistakes were a common thing. You might enjoy (or hate!) reading this classical GMIC thread...

       

      :whistle:

       

    19. On 16/04/2023 at 20:33, IR61 said:

      Wrong details, wrong material? Please do explain.

      Most striking is the unusual patina, which seems artificially applied. The fake ribbon doesn't add to it. I have hardly ever seen such signs of aging on an authentic cross, but then, literally every Alsenkreuz sold by certain infamous ebay sellers addressed here has this odd feature. Check their ebay feedback to see how many they sold just within the past few months!

       

      :speechless:

       

    20. I hate to be that guy, but I'm not so sure this is a "nice" or "really nice" bar. With the increasing number of fakes around, I'm getting more and more suspicious, and it's well possible I'm too suspicious sometimes... but this one, I'd guess, initially came from infamous German ebay seller hagekna41 who has been addressed several times in the past years...

       

      :(

       

       

      15 minutes ago, chuck said:

      what is the last ribbon?

      That's for the Austrian post-WW1 "Erinnerungsmedaille für die Landesverteidigung von Tirol 1914-1918" or, in short, "Tiroler Landesdenkmünze 1914-1918". See Borna Barac's "Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945. Part I – Iron Book, A – D.", p. 82.

       

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