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I tried to find something more on him... and now that's a bit confusing: mentioned Freiherr Bodelschwingh-Plettenberg became Graf von Plettenberg-Heeren in 1913. Besides being a RM dR in the Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regiment, he was also a chamberlain and a member of the House of Lords! Definitely noone to end with the absolutely lowest Prussian order, I'd assume?! German Wikipedia, besides all that information, shows also a nice picture of him, still with KO4 and an additional RAO4, but it's undated, so I don't know if there were some major changes to his Prussian orders...

I am aware this is a thirteen year old thread, but you're probably getting used to this doesn't mind to me... on my journey through the Prussian 1909 rank list, in my desperate but semi-successful search for the wearer of one of Claudio's mystery medal bars, I found someone who might be a better fit for this group than Dr. Wolff: A Rittmeister der Reserve Freiherr von Bodelschwingh-Plettenberg from Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regiment is listed with an LD1 and both WF3a and PC3! Only problem: he has an additional KO4. He's also listed with an additional JohR, but that's a neck decoration, and an JK5. Wearing awards granted from now-enemies wasn't too popular in the war, so its lack doesn't mean much. I wonder if he might have made it from KO4 in 1909 to a later KO2? Not saying it's not Wolff's, and not saying has to be Bodelschwingh-Plettenberg's. But a solid proof for only two out of seven, and an initial research based on the Deutscher Ordens-Almanach, the most incomplete and unreliable source we have, doesn't seem too convincing to me. Maybe someone who has more sources and skills than I wants to take a closer look...

Wow, Dave, I'm impressed - thank you so much! I must have missed him in the 1914 list, then decided to spend half my weekend hunting him down manually in the 1909 issue, but with few success: I had an eye for all Reserve and Landwehr officers with any LD and JM5 or any CD grade, for well-known reasons. It was quite interesting to see how relatively many German officers had such an Chinese order, and how surprisingly few had an JM5. Ignoring those with other awards lacking here, my search ended with a dozen potential wearers - Mudra was one of them, in 1909 still with LD2 and CDIII2 only. Now I'm really glad I'm not to take another day with another rank list... Did he get a late KO2, or can we actually assume the cross is a non-fitting replacement to his chain, as I suggested before, instead of the Iron Cross he is supposed to wear?

Christophe, are you ignoring my postings? It seems like... your question has already been answered, you're welcome!

I agree he's wearing the Colonial and China medal, and the precedence is proper as well, according to a Steinhauer & Lück sales catalog from January 1939 that includes such a list. Not knowing much about the clasps, I had a look at the excel "Gesamtliste" published on German SDA forum by member "CSForrester". It mentions a clasp "KAMERUN 1884" given to a Hoffmann, but I'm not sure this if is your man. However, no other clasp to a Hoffmann is mentioned there, so it should be him...

Have you tried the forum search? I think I found him - here. Or is that another v. Borries?

Despite I'm not Claudio: The wearer of this terrific medal bar was the General der Infanterie Maximilian Sommer (1846-1925). It has already been shown and discussed here... and we were all part of it, in 2013. So long ago! Beau Newman, that Ernestine house order for home front merits is amazing, thank you so much!

The combination alone from the bar is definitely unique, but the problem is: where to look. For officers of the Prussian army, the main sources are the annual rank list, showing all noteworthy awards to the listed men. But the last Prussian army rank list was published in (early) 1914, so I have to work with his pre-war decorations: the RAO4, a Landwehr long service award 1st class (or possibly then 2nd class?) and the Italian order, plus the Chinese award from the chain. Everything else is WW1 era or later, or unlisted as commemorative medals. As I cannot find anyone that matches in the 1914 rank list, he probably was already out of military service, getting some of his awards as a civil servant or a private citizen. Career officers would be so much easier to find... we would have to know in which year he's still listed, and in which he dropped out - and that's pure guessing. I wasn't lucky now, but maybe someone else will have a brilliant idea... hope dies last, and this combination is leaping to the eye.

Sorry, but that's not two periods, but two different classes: knight's cross (JM5) vs. officer's cross (JM4). A mistake not unheard of, even from a premium outfitter. Besides that, I don't really see too many inconsistencies: The Chinese decoration is definitely a neck decoration, and the Ecuadoran order, awarded to this man in the 1920s, could hardly be a breast decoration either. What I hadn't noticed by now is the lack of an EK for the chain. While that's entirely possible, I think we should consider the possibility the Prussian Royal Crown Order might be a later, non-fitting replacement. I find it also noteworthy both pieces are made by the Gebr. Godet firm and thus in the 1930s, but the chain dates to the years until 1934/35, whereas the medal bar wasn't created before 1938, the year the Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen was instituted.

I came across this old thread, and can hardly believe the wearer of this bar (or set) still couldn't be identified. I made some more tries, and failed, again. My best idea then was to hunt him down in the indexed Deutscher Ordens-Almanach. Sure the Ecuadoran Orden Nacional al Mérito would be most helpful here... unless that hadn't been instituted until the 1920s! I am at my wit's end, or rather at my resources'... an invisible man.

Despite the Royal Mint supplied a total of 278 crosses, only 119 were awarded from 1916 to 1918. The roll is know to exist in HStA Stuttgart, but it's not published at Klein & Raff (Klein, Ulrich and Raff, Albert: Die Württembergischen Medaillen von 1864–1933 (einschließlich der Orden und Ehrenzeichen). Stuttgart 2010. p. 526/527). The produced number of 278, however, includes the special type with the "double crown", which presumably was awarded to 11 royals on the occasion of the king's 25 year reign jubilee. Odd enough, there is another cross offered on German ebay right now, but it looks much less promising than the beautiful pieces shown here...

The yellow, red and black striped war ribbon wasn't introduced until late 1914 or early 1915, so you're totally right: a pre-war decoration would necessarily be worn on the purple ribbon.

I totally get your point, David, but have to say I never had that problem in years... I'm soon to send him a big list of books I need once I have compared my library to his offerings. By the way, has anybody seen the Grand Cross award document of the Order of Saint Marinus, offered at ratisbon's? That probably has to be an once in a life time chance for sure...

I think you would have to send a email to Autengruber, as suggested on the start page.

For those who might be interested, the 2008 book on Bismarck's awards is available at Michael Autengruber's orden-der-welt.de as well, for a ridiculous EUR 24,80. I think I paid significantly more for mine, back then... and it was worth every Cent!