Edgar Estrada

QUOTE(Stan @ Jul 13 2006, 23:28 ) ←

Here's pictires of my Baltic Cross. I bought it in 1969 for ?2.50. Never knew what the were awarded for. Can someone enlighten me?

Hi Stan,

The cross was awarded to volunteers in the Baltische Landwehr with a minimum of 3 months service. They campaigned in the Baltic region against the Bolshevics. There was apparently no official first or second class - the award was meant to be hung from a ribbon but pinback versions became common. There were 21,839 official awards, but many more would have been produced. Like the Schelsien Adler, the Baltic Cross was officially sanctioned for wear after 1935. Most of this basic info can be found in Angolia's For F&F, Vol 1.

Your cross looks like the same type as my lower right example - yours is in better condition and cost a bit less (at least at face value) than mine did!

Regards

Mike

Now, it is getting sense for me. "Sanctioned for wear after 1935", could it have been because Hitler was against the Teutonic Order and he even abolished it? I mean the Baltic Cross is totally a Teutonic Order emblem as is the German Cross (Without the swastika and instead a maltese black cross).

I am not to much into the military awards, but I like to read the history of the military orders (Templars, Hospitalers, Santiago and of course Teutonic).

Thanks for the information and nice pictures, and please if someone knows where I can get a Baltic Cross tell me.

Edgar

I think both the Iron Cross and the Baltic Cross military awards have their roots in the BLACK CROSS of the Teutonic Order, am I right? There is a Teutonic shield, in a Polish museum, from the battle of 1410 with a Maltese cross just like the Iron Cross design.

I also believe that the Teutonic Order (now not a military order but just a religious one), still uses the same design as the cross named Baltic Cross here. But with a golden shield and eagle in the center. BALTIC!!! of course the T.O. was there for so long. Sorry for my English, and I think you already know all I wrote. Now my question. The Baltic Cross was a German award or not? Was it like the baltic version or equivalent of the Iron Cross? (if it was not German).

BEAUTIFUL CROSSES BY THE WAY. I wish I could have one of those Baltic Crosses.

Edgar

Does it make you recall another awards? (Iron Cross, German Cross, especially the 1957 version).

This awards tells us once more the true roots of the Iron Cross. As we all know, a German crusade symbol from a Christian order: The German Military Order of the Hospital of St Mary of Jerusalem. The Teutonic Knight, today just a Religious Order with may convents around the world, but not military anymore.

Regards to all

Edgar

Nice pictures.

thanks a lot for sharing

Edgar

Hello Sto,

here are an better photo of the u-boat cap emblem of Leutnant zur See Lange, U 178 and U 516.

u-boat officer Leutnant zur See Lange U 178

Best Regards,

Monsun

Hello Monsun, Beatiful emblem you got.

They are knew for me, but I like them a lot. Please could you tell me how to find one of them (especially the one you showed)?

More or less how much is the cost of these emblems?

I was looking in Weitze and Devlet but I could not find any of them. I am not sure if I search in the correct places in those sites, but I did not see any u boot emblems there.

Regards

Edgar

Thanks Edgar,

It looks gold now!

Thank you Paul. Glad to read it.

regards

Edgar

last one.

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Edgar

3th pic

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Edgar

Pic 2

Same helmet. KM M35

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Edgar

Here is mine.

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Edgar

My 10 U-Flottille emblem. Size 33 mm X 20 mm

This one was found in Lorient in 1978 among artifacts from an old french FFI resistant who fought in Lorient in 1944/1945.

I think that it's french made one.

Regards

Ben

SO FAR this one and the emblem from U 380 are my favorites desings.

Beatiful badges

Edgar

For me, I don't dispute the manufacturing quality of most of Schwerin's products, but without doubt, the U-Boat Badge design believed to be by Juncker is a million times better than Schwerin's.

Compare the eagle with the scrawny chicken like design on Schwerin badges.

Thank you, now I understand, "Chiken like" hehehe they really look like a "LORO." The other 4 KM badges that I own are made by Schwerin, that is why I need a u boot badge by him. That Junker looks beatiful.

Regards

Edgar

Its no secret that I don't like Schwerin U-Boat Badges ( in terms of the design) but you can't fault the firm for the quality of the striking and their fire gilded finish. If you are a Schwerin fan, and many are, they don't come much better than this.

Hi Gordon.

Which is your favorite u boot badge desing? Where can I see pictures of it?

Regads

Edgar

Hello!

Just amazing photos,thanks for sharing.

Al the best

Nesredep

I agreed with that. Thank you very much to all.

Edgar

I have two questions. Please, excuse me for my ignorance about the topic, but asking I think is one of the way to learn.

1. Why does some of the KM badges have maker marc and others not? (Even from the same makers. Just as it is the case with the Iron Crosses)

2. What is more common: the badges with MM or the ones without it?

Thanks a lot for the information.

Regards

Edgar

Beatiful!! I have not words to say. I wonder what did you do to find it? ufffff and the price.

What are those badges?

Edgar

No, not from Detlev. One of the lesser known German dealers.

Wow tell me who was the dealer?

Good for you Gordon. I wish I could find something like that. I am looking for a good u boot badge.

Regards

Edgar

Thank you very much for sharing those great pictures.

They are fantastic.

Regards

Edgar

Thank you for the information, that is a very nice crown.

Regards

Edgar

Scary tread. Can be a fake photo? Is it a real KC that looks like the fakes made in Eastern Europe? People can start to make fake photos with this kind of KC to introduce the fake crosses.

Edgar

Some mints!

A sold called A-type, flawless S&L, and a Juncker 'Lazy-2'.

Is there not ploblems to have the crosses inside a plastic bag? I read that it is really bad for them.

Regards

Edgar

Very likely a vet thing of some sort, but I would guess impossible to identify for sure.

Yes, I think so. Thanks for the replys to all. I really like the Imperial Cronw on it.

Regards

Edgar

Hi, I got it from Weitze as something related to the Imperial Navy (vet association or something). in another forum someone told me that he has the very same Pin (it is actually a pin, it has the catch an nail on the back), and in the beggining he thought it to be related to the imperial navy as well but then to the FK.

But he has it along to a nice German Imperial Navy Dagger (my dream).

Regards

Edgar

Can someone tell me what badge it is?

Regards

Edgar

Thanks everybody for the overwhelming response and 100% positive reception. This is a great boost for me and the current projects which are in the making and will hit the market next year.

As one of the most knowledgeable and advanced collector said about the book: "Just amazing!"

For further info please check out my website www.ironcross1939.com

Again, thanks a lot for the enthusiastic response!

Dietrich

Hi Dietrich

What is the next project?

Edgar