Claudius

7 hours ago, Utgardloki said:

That most likely was the reason for the fraternity to choose that color.

Indeed this is a "sash" to be worn as You did. The silver lining at the edge of the ribbon is called "Perkussion", it can be silver or gold. When wearing black or white tie there are also narrower ribbons to use, but I don't know if that's the case with your "miniature ribbons" 

The typical width is 27 mm but it can differ. The one for black tie is narrower. There is no medal suspended from them, its just the ribbon.

In Vienna you can see those guys quite frequently. The fraternities (at least the german-national ones) are quite controversial in Austria and often in the media.

This is all very interesting!  Just as you mentioned, the lining is silver; on the sash, ribbon (Bierzipfel) and mini (Weinzipfel).

I found this maker mark under the pin, near the hinge.  Is anyone familiar with the "v" maker mark?  Who is known for that mark?  What is known about the manufacturer?

Thank you in advance

Thank you Dave!

The mystery continues...how did the family acquire it.  

23 hours ago, Utgardloki said:

There are lots of fraternities with these colours, from what city came it from? 

I can't be sure about the city.  It is attributed to a Bavarian.  It came with this medal bar, award documents and these mini ribbons.

 In 1934 he was in Tönning in Schleswig -Holstein. 

But i can't find a good match for Rudolf Kiessler in the online Bavarian records.

The "sash" ribbon is over 130cm long.  (That's over 4' 3'' to us Yanks)  I call it a sash ribbon because I could wear it like a sash.  I'm over 6ft and it comfortable on me.  The single button and slot at the ends makes it easy to loop and unloop.

If it is a university, why did they make mini ribbons like his wartime award ribbons?  And what would the regular width ribbon be for?  Is there a medal?

20 hours ago, bolewts58 said:

I believe these are ribbons worn by university students. So, I presume these are the university colors.

I can see that.  Although, it is really odd how it comes in three sizes;

1) mini-ribbon size

2) regular ribbon size (like if there was a medal)

3) Sash length, the example here is long enough to go across a body (sash-style) and there is a button on one end with a slot hole on the other, to attach them together.

15 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

nice one!

 

Adolf Karl Ludwig Theodor von Berckefeld, 1872-1920

Artillery guy, "finished" as half colonel, commanding FAR 183 in WW1.

 

Best,

Daniel

Daniel; I didn't thank you earlier, and I can't thank you enough!  And you identified it so quickly!

What German rank is "half-colonel"?

Glenn; Thank you for the photo!  That is great!  It's that kind of detail that I was looking for.  Now I'm interested in FAR 183 and where they operated and what actions they were involved in.

Gentlemen, again, my great appreciation for your contributions!

Best,

Claudius

5 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

nice one!

 

Adolf Karl Ludwig Theodor von Berckefeld, 1872-1920

Artillery guy, "finished" as half colonel, commanding FAR 183 in WW1.

 

Best,

Daniel

?  This is a surprise!  It came from the estate of the family: Kiessler!

Hello;

This was part of a family estate.  I don't remember ever seeing this ribbon before.  I don't even know if i have it in the correct orientation.

Does anyone know what it is?

-Claudius

Hello;

This ribbon bar was from a family estate, but doesn't have a full name and details.

-Claudius

10 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

Very cool paper items, and the script is actually Arabic.

D'oh!

59 minutes ago, ixhs said:

Now,  my internet connection is running better.

Here my pics of SDA:

 

 

anyone read Turkish script?

 

What is that medal on the watch fob's ribbon?

Can we also get a photo of the reverses?

1 hour ago, oamotme said:

Emmanuel,

Nice photos and information. I was in Belize a life time ago in 1982 with the Army - a while before I was interested in medals. I recall the local beer - Beliken Beer - was OK.

Beers are on me - well in sentiment - this is my 1,000 post!

Owain

I was in Belize in 2016 and the Belikin was tasting good.

If you're buying I'll take a Belikin, if available.  If not, I'll take a Quad.  ?

Those look great!  

For educational purposes, can you show us some close-ups that reveal your "secret" to your filament attachments?

5 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

Both look good to me, I think the one on the right is an award piece. Is it magnetic?

It is very magnetic.  The left one is not.

Here are two stamped Prussian Pilot badges from two different manufacturers.  I like each of them individually and as a pair for their similarities/differences.  These badges are not found in a text book, but I think they are text-book examples.  I've had these badges for a long time and their provenance extends beyond that.  

The badge on the left is a high quality stamp with the square maker mark on on a finely honed pin.  The relief on the front is further highlighted by the silver(alloy?) coating.  The reverse relief is nearly as good.

The badge on the right came off an Allied souvenir belt from near the end of the war.  Presumably this is a late-war made badge and was awarded to a newly minted pilot.  No maker mark and the pin is a shorter length and simpler. The finish has not aged as well the badge on the left. 

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7 minutes ago, Paul R said:

What is that last medal on my ribbon bar posted above?  I still cannot figure it out.

Long service.

It's an unusual, but highly desirable variant to find on medal bar.

This is great!

Thank You JapanX!  Once again you brought clarity and understanding.

So, it is these magazine style pistols.  I thought the Webley & Scott it referred to was a six-shot revolver.

-Claudius

On 29/04/2011 at 08:49, tsarenko1975 said:

Typical gun lycence of that storming times (for Webley-Scott revolver). Unusual date: 12 december 1918. If you know, 14 december 1918 Kiev was occupied/liberated by Petlyura's troops.

I have a follow up question (nine years later);

This document to carry a Webley-Scott revolver seems itself to be used during a transitional time.  The document form was originally made for one government agency, but then it was crossed out and a different government authorization was purple ink stamped.

Is the purple ink stamp the Petlyura's government authority, or is the original form, the Petlyura's government.  Or neither?

5 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

Holy cow, that is impressive. Do you still have the pilot badge?

Yes I do.  It makes a wonderful comparison to my other cliche pilot badge.  Considering its construction/quality, I estimate that it is an early war or maybe prewar made.

I look back at this post and think how terrible the lighting was and I should have given this study of two different badges its own thread.  I may have to rectify this.  The square punch hallmark badge is not fairly represented.  It has a high shine surface and is really well made...for a cliche'.  I believe it is a good, period. The provenance is very long, prior to 1980. 

18 hours ago, Trooper_D said:

That . Is . Astonishing !

But it was taken apart and dispersed??? It should have been in a museum but at least let us thank goodness you were able to take photographs of it.

I have never come across anything like this before. Are 'hate belts' a genre?

Thank you posting my photo OvBacon.  When I originally tried to attach the photo it posted in this odd way.  I don't know why.  Then I tried adding it as a TIFF file and that went poorly too.

 Hello Trooper D;

Yes, I was a spectator to this decision, however I wasn't going to refuse items off it on principle.  I didn't have a lot of money back then, and the pilot badge was a lot of my budget.

I think I've seen more "hate" belts (I've never liked this name, but it was widely used in the collecting community) in the past.   I think it is a collecting field with some collectors.

It is a bold statement, however I have looked at a lot of belts over the decades and I still think that this one is the best one.

I found my Kodak photos of this belt.  As you can see, it was photographed in sections to archive the belt.  I have to state, that this was before the internet or digital cameras and the photos were taken and processed with developer and fixer.  The second-last owner of the belt wanted to document the belt and ultimately I received the photos.  This will be the first time this belt will be shown (unless the negatives are out there somewhere).

As you can see, its more of a piece of folk art than just a haphazard collection of uniform bits.  The original owner appears to have carefully selected each piece and where to arrange it.  Starting with his choice of a double wide belt.  Note the use of all three, black, silver and gold wound badges.  The EK2, Centennial medal and coins all had metal tags soldered on to affix them to the belt.  From feldmutzes and shoulder tabs he add the metal; death's head, train and guards along with several unit cyphers.  And you can't miss the cliche-style pilot's badge.  The "artist" then signed and dated his work, again using metal unit insignia.

I've had decades to contemplate this pice and I've wondered what assignment the original owner had that gave him access to this wide variety of pieces.  Two come to mind; POW camp guard or Graves Registration.  

I was a close friend to the persons who bought it directly from the dealer when it walked through the door.  For good or ill, the belt was disassembled and I was offered pieces from it.  I purchased several of the items.  Notability, what I didn't buy was the helmet plate and the train insignia.  I even have the empty leather belt.wwi souvenir belt -TIFF.tiff 

wwi souvenir belt3.jp2

Looks great!  I really like the direction you are taking.

Are those boards "finished".  if so, maybe refinishing them with a  FLAT finish will cut down the glare.  Either that, or use a diffuser on your light source.

My condolences to Tim Eriksen's family.

The first time we meet at a military show when he overheard my conversation with a dealer.  I was just budding my knowledge in the Orders and was looking to fill the missing award on a medal bar.  When the dealer couldn't help me, Tim jumped into action and ascertained the correct Saxon Civil Merit Cross.  After exchanging information and payment, Tim located and sent me the Cross.  Friendly, professional and above all, helpful. 

I'm sad that I will have no chance to see him again.

Thank you Brian and Gordon for your helpful responses!  It will help me feel confident that I'm making the best choices for the limited time that I have in Ottawa.

Regards,

Claudius