Stogieman

Nope...... not once. I know Juncker is reuted to have used an entirely different mark (including a crown) on certain custom-made, private purchase pieces, but I only hear rumor, so far. Having said this, the mark is NOT even close to the crappy "crown" marked badges available on ebay by the dozens every week......... That really should tell people. yet over and over, I watch people sell fakes for hundreds and hundreds of dollars......... it's very frustrating

I am quite sure some type of international law is being broken by any one person having that many Anti Partisan Badges in their collection.........

But that's not why.......... there's something about this bar, something we take for granted/as accepted.......... this is the earliest known example (ca. 1880!!!!!!!!!!!!!) of........... what????????

C'mon, guess, you know you want to!

To coin a phrase..............

MINE!!

Reverse is like so:

OK, apart from the very obvious reasons this bar is so absofreakin'lutely insanely into the rarebeyondmybecapicitytothink realm.........

WHY is it such a STUNNING discovery!!

Notice on Nick's picture the very distinct cross-hatch on the acorns, the center of the skull and the face of the skull. Also note that on Nick's example, the die flaw is just starting to produce the "notch" below the hilt of the sword. I would submit that Nick's badge (photo) is the same as the Silver one on MajorPLM.com, whereas again, the lesser quality example shown in gold is based upon these. I think if you study these closely, you will start to see many things that are different, the (to me anyway) quite apparent difference in quality and workmanship. My two cents, for what it's worth.

Well, you can find EK 1's with silver, crescent & crown markings by the following makers:

Johan Wagner

Friedlander

Godet

I was able to look at this today, pretty nice stuff and neat with all the paper. His Evilness had not shipped it to his vault yet. Pretty snazzy!

Well, I went through all my archives and cannot find pictures of the other variant. Anybody else have some nice clear scans of a round pin example?

Hmmmmmmm, he ponders deeply and asks........ why would this not be an "upgraded" MVK reflecting the later issuance of swords/war ribbon ca. 1913...... ?????????

This would also coincide nicely with the thought that our man is wearing his LS Bar ca. 1913 style on a Schnalle...

hhhmmmmmmmm

Yes people...... that IS a MOSH, RK AND a ZVO, RK1wX on trifolds there.

Awesome photos Andreas!

An update on this bar. I had it shipped back to me and while it is true that the Treue dem Battalion Cross is mounted on the wrong ribbon, based upon careful examination of the bar, both RR & I feel very strongly that the original owner mounted it and wore it this way!! Each piece is clipped to the (front mounting) spring-loaded clips we find and then stitched into place. the stitching matches across the bar, so it seems we have one of those bizarre cases of "wrong is right".

Not regulation.

Not on the right ribbon.

But absolutely the way its' owner intended!!

I see....... thanks!

I'm rooting through the archives for photos. No luck yet.

Prosper, I think you'll find precious few people who would comment on a badge of this style. I'm not comfortable discussing these. I don't like them at all. However, (A)I like the silver one far better than any of the multitude of "notched/twisted grip" ones floating around and (B) my "dislike" of these isn't a conclusive opinion on originality. I personally feel that the style is meant to mimic/fake something else. The quality of those is really low, even for end of war Germany. Can't prove any of it, but neither can anyone substantly disprove my opinion.

My only advice to potential owners of this badge would be to:

A) Only buy from someone who will give you a "lifetime" warranty of originality w. full refund rights.

B) Stick to the solid variants, or the "half-hollow/Round Pin" variant. My opinion, for what it's worth.

C) If you wish to buy an example of this style, see (A) above!

Hi Gerd, my interest was purely accidental and whim-like. I have no intention of stepping into this minefield! Not my area!

So, you are discounting the possibility of this being a 1905-13 BMVKwX?

Interesting, he lists maybe one very rare badge per week. The one he has up now is gorgeous, but a gorgeous what. The fellow who paid $820 bought the one badge and a rather large number of automobile parts and accessories over the last 3 weeks....

If these are fakes, they are awfully well done.......... The enamel work is wonderful.

Hi Gordon, yes, I understand that. My point is that the gold APB in the beginning of this thread is not the same badge as the silver one. I can accept the silver one as a period badge. I have never been comfortable with the badges with the notch out of the sword and the different wreath. I believe the gold badge (and others like it) are copies of the silver badge as shown by the Major PLM photo. If at some point the silver badge proves to be a copy, then you have a gold copy of a silver copy of a ?????

Beyond this point, I think you will find that the half-hollow badges (Anti-Partisan) will have distinctly different features and details than this style with "coke bottle" pin.

But I digress.......... the APB badge that started this thread is not the same badge as in the MajorPLM .com photo. Why??

Wreath is different

sword is different in several places

wear pattern is different

If you look very closely, detail by detail, these 2 badges are not the same badge. The Silver example I would accept as the real McCoy, the Gold one, not so happy with. And if that's not screwy enough, the round pin ones are very different in detail/features from both of these! Trying to find fotos. I rarely enter into this hotly contested issue. Everyone has a different opinion and there's just no sure-fire way to know who's right......... this one is in unknown waters

Now here's my scan of the same badge a bit later.

Yep, and a heck of a good Glider Badge it was. I miss it dearly and count selling it amongst my greatest errors. Here's the original pix that was villified by a few guys. I don't remember them, but I will not forget this badge. Photo courtesy of MajorPLM.com

Quick PS..... The problem with him is the same as with Baff..... you simply cannot trust anything he has. I won't even bid on stuff they have that I absolutely know is real........ why wrestle with a pig??

Concur with David's conclusion....... he has been discussed in the past and is a known fake-mongerer. The Bavarian Crosses I never even considered, frankly, I close any page I ever open with his name on it.

I have no clue what it was, but on a whim I bid high... figured No. 19 of anything must be special. Somebody else really wanted it though!!