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Here's one from Bavaria for the Ludwig Cross
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I've always been fascinated with issue packets, boxes, cases and such. Some of the rarest Imperial items are the little paper packets medals arrived at the front in. I would venture that 99% of these were instantly tossed!
Here's one from Baden for the General Bravery decoration on the Farl-Friedrich Ribbon for Bravery.
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Here's a close-up of the maker's stamp! :excl:
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The cross was neatly packaged in this little envelope with the maker's name stamped on it! We never knew who made these until this one arrived! The boxes never had a maker mark! There was also this neat little safety pin!
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I was pretty surprised when this one showed up. Just like it was the day it left the Jeweler! Inside were 3 pieces of ribbon. Full-sized, Miniature for Lapel Bow and 15mm. for the ribbon bar!
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Boxes for The Hanseatic Cross of Hamburg came in 2 sizes. here's the 'shorty' one.
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My absolute favorite is still the double St. Henry Medal ribbon bar..... think extreme bravery.......
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Hi Paul! Welcome Aboard!!
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These Veteran's Crosses from the "Anything Goes" 1920's were all banned when the Honor Cross was instituted in 1934/35. There are few exceptions notably the Baltic Cross & Silesian Eagle.
These types of awards are quite desirable, hard to find in decent condition and sought after heavily by the niche of collectors who like them!! The awrd documents and ribbon bars are pretty nice looking as well! Here's some mounted on a ribbon bar:
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Hi Mike, welcome aboard! Good to have you with us!!
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I will start a list of common abreviations that we take for granted when talking about many of these pieces. I'm sure "The Evil One" will add to it!
Common Terms
RK = Ritterkreuz (Knight's Cross)
mK = mit Krone (with crown) anglicized as wC, wK
mS = mit Schwerter (with Swords) Often anglicized to wX
X = Schwerter (Swords)
XaR = Swords on Ring (some Orders had this appendage)
1.Kl. = First Class
2.Kl. = Second Class Both of these will often be stated as RK1, RK2, etc.
mKD = mit Kriegsdekoration (Austro-Hungarian on many awards)
Prussia
HOH = Prussian version Hohenzollern House Order (3 class usually, with X or not)
EK = Eisernes Kreuz (Iron Cross) sub-abbreviations: EK1, EK2
EK2w = Iron Cross on the "white-black" noncombatant ribbon
(P)KO = Preussen Kronen Orden (Prussian Crown Order)
(P)RAO = Preussen Roter Adler Orden (Prussian Red Eagle Order)
KDM = Kriegs Denkmünze (War Medal-- must specific which one)
DA = Dienstauszeichnungen (Long Service award, class specified by number which varied for years over time as in 1= 21/15, 2 = 15/12, 3 = always 9 years. Could be medals or brooches and so specified)
LD = Landwehrdienstauszeichnung (1 for XX years 2 for the broocch/medal. Prussian/Reichs is normally assumed, preceded by B for Bavarian, S for Saxon, or W for Württemberg versions: SLD2, WLD1 etc)
® = Lifesaving Medal on Ribbon (identical glyph used in Rank Lists)
VK/PrKHDK = Prussian War Effort Cross (take your pick!!)
GMVK = Gold Military Merit Cross
MEZ = Military Decoration: 1 (silver cross) 2 (silver medal) on both version EK ribbon
PrAEz = General Decoration (usually the silver medal on RAO ribbon)
Baden
BV = Militär Karl Friedrich Verdienst Order (with class number-- 3 = Knight)
BZ = Zähringen Lion Order (number and letter for class-- 3a = Knight 1st, 3b = Knight 2nd Class, 4 = Merit Cross etc)
BsV = Merit Medal in silver often with designation for on the MKFVO ribbon
BKV = War Merit Cross
BK = Cross for Voluntary War Aid
Bavaria
BMMJO = Military Max Josef Order (3 = Knight Class)
BMV = Militär Verdienst Order (Classes 4, 3, O, 2 up etc)
BMVK = Militär Verdienst Kreuz (Classes 1, 2, 3 with or without Crowns and Xs)
BL = Ludwig Cross
BDA = as Prussia, above
BLD = as Prussia, above
with relevant number for class, viz. BMV4X, BMVK3XmKr
Saxony
SH = Militär Saint Heinrich Order (3 = Knight Class)
SA = Albert Order (Classes as SA3aXmKr, SA3bX etc)
SV = Verdienst Order (SV3aX etc)
SFAM = Friedrich August Medaille (S = Silber, B = Bronze so SFAM-S etc)
SKz = Sachsen Ehren Kreuz (Saxon Honor Cross)
SK = War Merit Cross
Württemberg
WM = their Militär Verdienst Orden (3 = Knight)
WF = Friedrichs Orden
as in WF3aX = Knight 1st Class with swords
as in WF3b = Knight 2nd Class (peacetime)
WK = Wüttemberg Krone Orden
WKrz = Wilhelmskreuz (with X or without)
WgM/WsM = Bravery/formerly "military Merit" Medals in gold /silver
WR/®= LifesavingMedal: NON-Wtbg Lists/Wtbg Lists (wherein the Prussian was PRM not ® )
Hanseatic Cities
BH = Bremen Hanseatic Cross
HH = Hamburg Hanseatic Cross
LüH = Lübeck Hanseatic Cross
Hessen-Darmstadt
HP = House Order with class numbers
HT = Hessian Bravery Medal aka General Decoration "for...." (multiple purpose reverses specify: bravery, long service, lifesaving)
HS = Hessian Military Medical Cross
HK = the untranslatable pinback 1917+ "Warrior Decoration in Iron"
Hohenzollern
HE = Princely Honor Cross (house order) all grades with class designations with ot without Xs
Mecklenburg-Schwerin
MG = Griffin Order with class numbers
MMV = Friedrich Franz Cross (1 = 1st Class, 2 = 2nd Class)
Mecklenburg-Strelitz
MStK = Cross for Distinction in War (1= rare 1st class, 2= usual 2nd class)
Oldenburg
OV = House Order with class numbers
OK = Friedrich August Cross (1 or 2 Class, 2a = with "vor dem Feinde Spange) sometimes, God forgive us, we use "OFAK" which was the NAVY abbreviation for this, while the ARMY used "OK."
Brunswick
BrH = House Order with class numbers
BrK = Ernst August crosses (1 class, 2a 2nd with "horse" device, 2 class)
Anhalt
AB = House Order of Albert the Bear with class number
AK = WW1 Friedrich Cross
Lippe-Detmold
LH = -Detmold version of the House Order with class numbers
LKr = WW1 War Merit Cross
Schaumburg-Lippe
SLH = Schaumburg- version of the House Order with class numbers
SLK = Cross for Loyal Service (their "EK" despite the "long service" sounding name)
Saxe-Weimar
GSF = White Falcon Order with class numbers, Xs etc though "SWF" also used and I prefer that
GSWA = General Decoration: 1 gold, 2 silver, 3 bronze with and without Xs (NOT "SWAfrica Medal"!!!!!)
Thüringian "Ernestine" Duchies
EH = Saxe-Ernestine House Order, common to the hyphenated Saxe-Duchies of -Altenburg, -Coburg, and -Meiningen. The actual GERMAN abbreviation was "HSEH" but even we must Draw The Too Obscure Line someplace!!!
SMK = WW1 Saxe-Meiningen War Merit Cross (for officers, the "crowned B" medal )
SMM = WW1 Saxe-Meiningen War Merit Medal (for enlisted men)
AT = WW1 Altenburg Bravery Medal
Reuss
RE/RäE = House Order with distinction in older (RäE) and younger (RjE) lines, class numbers with or w/o Xs
RgM/RsM = medals of above (no "line" distinction) with or w/o Xs
Schwarzburg
SEK = House Order (the "Honor Cross") with class numbers and w or w/o Xs
SKM = Silver War Merit Medal
Waldeck
WV = House Order (the "Honor Cross") with class numbers and with or without Xs
WgVM/WsVM = gold and silver medals to above, dittos
Austria-Hungary
ÖM3K = Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with War Decoration
ÖT = Bravery Medals, with g old, s ilver (1 and 2 classes), b ronze class designated like "ÖbT"
Ö VK = Merit Crosses with class designations, with and without crowns as in ÖgVK, ÖsVKmKr etc
Bulgaria
BT = Bravery Order/Cross with class designations
BA = St. Alexander Order with class designations
BO = Military Merit Order (peace or war had Xs)
Turkey
TH = Turkish War Medal star aka Gallipoli Star aka Iron Half Moon
TL = Liakat Medals (1 = Gold, 2 = silver)
TI = Imtiaz Medals (1 & 2 as above)
TM = Medjidie Order (number for class)
TO = Osmanie Order (number for class)
TR = Lifesaving Medal
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Hi Bob, welcome to the Gentleman's Military Club!
Ralph, be careful what you ask for.........
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Yes, the disc is from a W?rttemburg belt buckle. very nice!
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Outstanding! What a beautiful private-purchase case!!
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Sometimes, you'll find Scharffenberg labeled cases with both a Kunath label (for the ribbon) and a third label for the case maker!! Nice little "prize"!
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OK Ralph, Here's the assignment! You need to get the highest Bravery decoration from each state!
Bavarian RK Max Josef.
Saxon RK Military Order of Saint Henry
etc.
etc.
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Hi John. the stamped issue badge in decent condition could go anywhere from $900-$1200 USD. The silver one, think 2-3K. Difficult to judge, there's only been one auctioned off in Germany in the last 6 years.... it went over 2K Euro, plus premium! :speechless-smiley-004:
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And the reverses of same:
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Now, just to compare, here's a stamped pair.. Prussian Pilot & Gunner. Fronts:
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And the reverse of our second example looks like this. This HD scan is an excellent one to compare rivets with note these; then pop back up to the "suspect badge"....... see la differance?
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Here's a second authentic issue badge. This one had the cross atop the crown neatly filed off. The "Story du jour" I always heard was this was a sign of protest to the abdication of Wilhelm. No idea if that is true or not. Could just be "Urban Legend"....
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Reverse of the gunner badges. Good set to study, these are real. The P/P in silber is the only one I ever found. On eBay germany of all places and at about 10 cents on the dollar...... I have had a total of 3 of the issue ones though. I cannot imagine that happening again in about a zillion years!
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Here's a photo of my pair of my Imperial Prussian Gunner Badges. Private Purchase in Silber on the left, Issue (stamped) Badge on the right. An interesting point is that of all the Imperial Flight Badges issued (as opposed to P/P); this is the only one that ever bore a maker mark.
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Here's a photo of a real one. Compare the details to the initial pix... can you spot all the differences?
(Photo cortesy of Niemann?, Hamburg. But I own this badge now.)
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Rare Imperial Issue Packets
in Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States
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Here's one from Brunswick for the Ernst August Cross, Second Class:
(EAK2)