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Here's one from Brunswick for the Ernst August Cross, Second Class:

(EAK2)

Here's one from Bavaria for the Ludwig Cross

I've always been fascinated with issue packets, boxes, cases and such. Some of the rarest Imperial items are the little paper packets medals arrived at the front in. I would venture that 99% of these were instantly tossed!

Here's one from Baden for the General Bravery decoration on the Farl-Friedrich Ribbon for Bravery.

Here's a close-up of the maker's stamp! :excl:

The cross was neatly packaged in this little envelope with the maker's name stamped on it! We never knew who made these until this one arrived! The boxes never had a maker mark! There was also this neat little safety pin!

I was pretty surprised when this one showed up. Just like it was the day it left the Jeweler! Inside were 3 pieces of ribbon. Full-sized, Miniature for Lapel Bow and 15mm. for the ribbon bar!

Boxes for The Hanseatic Cross of Hamburg came in 2 sizes. here's the 'shorty' one.

My absolute favorite is still the double St. Henry Medal ribbon bar..... think extreme bravery.......

Hi Paul! Welcome Aboard!!

These Veteran's Crosses from the "Anything Goes" 1920's were all banned when the Honor Cross was instituted in 1934/35. There are few exceptions notably the Baltic Cross & Silesian Eagle.

These types of awards are quite desirable, hard to find in decent condition and sought after heavily by the niche of collectors who like them!! The awrd documents and ribbon bars are pretty nice looking as well! Here's some mounted on a ribbon bar:

Hi Mike, welcome aboard! Good to have you with us!!

I will start a list of common abreviations that we take for granted when talking about many of these pieces. I'm sure "The Evil One" will add to it!

Common Terms

RK = Ritterkreuz (Knight's Cross)

mK = mit Krone (with crown) anglicized as wC, wK

mS = mit Schwerter (with Swords) Often anglicized to wX

X = Schwerter (Swords)

XaR = Swords on Ring (some Orders had this appendage)

1.Kl. = First Class

2.Kl. = Second Class Both of these will often be stated as RK1, RK2, etc.

mKD = mit Kriegsdekoration (Austro-Hungarian on many awards)

Prussia

HOH = Prussian version Hohenzollern House Order (3 class usually, with X or not)

EK = Eisernes Kreuz (Iron Cross) sub-abbreviations: EK1, EK2

EK2w = Iron Cross on the "white-black" noncombatant ribbon

(P)KO = Preussen Kronen Orden (Prussian Crown Order)

(P)RAO = Preussen Roter Adler Orden (Prussian Red Eagle Order)

KDM = Kriegs Denkmünze (War Medal-- must specific which one)

DA = Dienstauszeichnungen (Long Service award, class specified by number which varied for years over time as in 1= 21/15, 2 = 15/12, 3 = always 9 years. Could be medals or brooches and so specified)

LD = Landwehrdienstauszeichnung (1 for XX years 2 for the broocch/medal. Prussian/Reichs is normally assumed, preceded by B for Bavarian, S for Saxon, or W for Württemberg versions: SLD2, WLD1 etc)

® = Lifesaving Medal on Ribbon (identical glyph used in Rank Lists)

VK/PrKHDK = Prussian War Effort Cross (take your pick!!)

GMVK = Gold Military Merit Cross

MEZ = Military Decoration: 1 (silver cross) 2 (silver medal) on both version EK ribbon

PrAEz = General Decoration (usually the silver medal on RAO ribbon)

Baden

BV = Militär Karl Friedrich Verdienst Order (with class number-- 3 = Knight)

BZ = Zähringen Lion Order (number and letter for class-- 3a = Knight 1st, 3b = Knight 2nd Class, 4 = Merit Cross etc)

BsV = Merit Medal in silver often with designation for on the MKFVO ribbon

BKV = War Merit Cross

BK = Cross for Voluntary War Aid

Bavaria

BMMJO = Military Max Josef Order (3 = Knight Class)

BMV = Militär Verdienst Order (Classes 4, 3, O, 2 up etc)

BMVK = Militär Verdienst Kreuz (Classes 1, 2, 3 with or without Crowns and Xs)

BL = Ludwig Cross

BDA = as Prussia, above

BLD = as Prussia, above

with relevant number for class, viz. BMV4X, BMVK3XmKr

Saxony

SH = Militär Saint Heinrich Order (3 = Knight Class)

SA = Albert Order (Classes as SA3aXmKr, SA3bX etc)

SV = Verdienst Order (SV3aX etc)

SFAM = Friedrich August Medaille (S = Silber, B = Bronze so SFAM-S etc)

SKz = Sachsen Ehren Kreuz (Saxon Honor Cross)

SK = War Merit Cross

Württemberg

WM = their Militär Verdienst Orden (3 = Knight)

WF = Friedrichs Orden

as in WF3aX = Knight 1st Class with swords

as in WF3b = Knight 2nd Class (peacetime)

WK = Wüttemberg Krone Orden

WKrz = Wilhelmskreuz (with X or without)

WgM/WsM = Bravery/formerly "military Merit" Medals in gold /silver

WR/®= LifesavingMedal: NON-Wtbg Lists/Wtbg Lists (wherein the Prussian was PRM not ® )

Hanseatic Cities

BH = Bremen Hanseatic Cross

HH = Hamburg Hanseatic Cross

LüH = Lübeck Hanseatic Cross

Hessen-Darmstadt

HP = House Order with class numbers

HT = Hessian Bravery Medal aka General Decoration "for...." (multiple purpose reverses specify: bravery, long service, lifesaving)

HS = Hessian Military Medical Cross

HK = the untranslatable pinback 1917+ "Warrior Decoration in Iron"

Hohenzollern

HE = Princely Honor Cross (house order) all grades with class designations with ot without Xs

Mecklenburg-Schwerin

MG = Griffin Order with class numbers

MMV = Friedrich Franz Cross (1 = 1st Class, 2 = 2nd Class)

Mecklenburg-Strelitz

MStK = Cross for Distinction in War (1= rare 1st class, 2= usual 2nd class)

Oldenburg

OV = House Order with class numbers

OK = Friedrich August Cross (1 or 2 Class, 2a = with "vor dem Feinde Spange) sometimes, God forgive us, we use "OFAK" which was the NAVY abbreviation for this, while the ARMY used "OK."

Brunswick

BrH = House Order with class numbers

BrK = Ernst August crosses (1 class, 2a 2nd with "horse" device, 2 class)

Anhalt

AB = House Order of Albert the Bear with class number

AK = WW1 Friedrich Cross

Lippe-Detmold

LH = -Detmold version of the House Order with class numbers

LKr = WW1 War Merit Cross

Schaumburg-Lippe

SLH = Schaumburg- version of the House Order with class numbers

SLK = Cross for Loyal Service (their "EK" despite the "long service" sounding name)

Saxe-Weimar

GSF = White Falcon Order with class numbers, Xs etc though "SWF" also used and I prefer that

GSWA = General Decoration: 1 gold, 2 silver, 3 bronze with and without Xs (NOT "SWAfrica Medal"!!!!!)

Thüringian "Ernestine" Duchies

EH = Saxe-Ernestine House Order, common to the hyphenated Saxe-Duchies of -Altenburg, -Coburg, and -Meiningen. The actual GERMAN abbreviation was "HSEH" but even we must Draw The Too Obscure Line someplace!!!

SMK = WW1 Saxe-Meiningen War Merit Cross (for officers, the "crowned B" medal )

SMM = WW1 Saxe-Meiningen War Merit Medal (for enlisted men)

AT = WW1 Altenburg Bravery Medal

Reuss

RE/RäE = House Order with distinction in older (RäE) and younger (RjE) lines, class numbers with or w/o Xs

RgM/RsM = medals of above (no "line" distinction) with or w/o Xs

Schwarzburg

SEK = House Order (the "Honor Cross") with class numbers and w or w/o Xs

SKM = Silver War Merit Medal

Waldeck

WV = House Order (the "Honor Cross") with class numbers and with or without Xs

WgVM/WsVM = gold and silver medals to above, dittos

Austria-Hungary

ÖM3K = Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with War Decoration

ÖT = Bravery Medals, with g old, s ilver (1 and 2 classes), b ronze class designated like "ÖbT"

Ö VK = Merit Crosses with class designations, with and without crowns as in ÖgVK, ÖsVKmKr etc

Bulgaria

BT = Bravery Order/Cross with class designations

BA = St. Alexander Order with class designations

BO = Military Merit Order (peace or war had Xs)

Turkey

TH = Turkish War Medal star aka Gallipoli Star aka Iron Half Moon

TL = Liakat Medals (1 = Gold, 2 = silver)

TI = Imtiaz Medals (1 & 2 as above)

TM = Medjidie Order (number for class)

TO = Osmanie Order (number for class)

TR = Lifesaving Medal

Hi Bob, welcome to the Gentleman's Military Club!

Ralph, be careful what you ask for.........

Yes, the disc is from a W?rttemburg belt buckle. very nice!

Outstanding! What a beautiful private-purchase case!!

Sometimes, you'll find Scharffenberg labeled cases with both a Kunath label (for the ribbon) and a third label for the case maker!! Nice little "prize"!

OK Ralph, Here's the assignment! You need to get the highest Bravery decoration from each state!

Bavarian RK Max Josef.

Saxon RK Military Order of Saint Henry

etc.

etc.

Hi John. the stamped issue badge in decent condition could go anywhere from $900-$1200 USD. The silver one, think 2-3K. Difficult to judge, there's only been one auctioned off in Germany in the last 6 years.... it went over 2K Euro, plus premium! :speechless-smiley-004:

And the reverses of same:

Now, just to compare, here's a stamped pair.. Prussian Pilot & Gunner. Fronts:

And the reverse of our second example looks like this. This HD scan is an excellent one to compare rivets with note these; then pop back up to the "suspect badge"....... see la differance?

Here's a second authentic issue badge. This one had the cross atop the crown neatly filed off. The "Story du jour" I always heard was this was a sign of protest to the abdication of Wilhelm. No idea if that is true or not. Could just be "Urban Legend"....

Reverse of the gunner badges. Good set to study, these are real. The P/P in silber is the only one I ever found. On eBay germany of all places and at about 10 cents on the dollar...... I have had a total of 3 of the issue ones though. I cannot imagine that happening again in about a zillion years!

Here's a photo of my pair of my Imperial Prussian Gunner Badges. Private Purchase in Silber on the left, Issue (stamped) Badge on the right. An interesting point is that of all the Imperial Flight Badges issued (as opposed to P/P); this is the only one that ever bore a maker mark.

Here's a photo of a real one. Compare the details to the initial pix... can you spot all the differences?

(Photo cortesy of Niemann?, Hamburg. But I own this badge now.)