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Oh yeah.......... any chance you can tell what is in third place on the General's Medal Bar?

Hi Prosper, nice pieces and an excellent photo of the General. Do you know what these were awarded for? I have always thought the 2 & 1 kl. to be amongst the more attractive of the WW2 era pieces. I recently sold a ribbon bar with the Ehren=Medaille on it and when asked what the medal was awarded for; I was caught not having a clue what to say!

Did he just say "climax" & "drill" in the same sentance?? Doesn't sound very British to moi.

I think the variations from mark to mark were not made by the same stamp. If you study them letter by letter... there are variances that i do not think can be explained by how forceful the application of the mark itself was. There are some with malformed letters that would be malformed in each example if they were from the same die tool....

Hi Eric, welcome to the Forum! Your "Prussian" Fire Dept. Long Svc. Bar is actually Bavarian one and it is in the box for a pin of the Luisen-Bund, a Woman's Aid Organization.

Well, that would be a wonderful thing if he thinks this. I would still advise anyone who doesn't know these to a "T" to be extremely cautious in purchasing anything like it.

Hi Dave, nope, the bulk of the right end was all unknown to me. I was hoping someone would step up to the plate and tell us all about all the oddities down there! This one was weird, with lots of unknowns, but my gut was telling me it would prove to be right in the end-analysis. I knew 2 of the 3 odd-balls were W?rttemburg but I truthfully had no clue as to the S-L piece with the weird button on the ribbon. Thanks!!

Pretty spectacular stuff guys. My question would be...

Exactly what was the "official" award criteria for, for each grade of this medal?

No, I don't think the pix is that good to determine actual symbols or we'd probably not have to have this discussion. My observations are based strictly on the pix shown and example of the 2 awards posted in other threads. Just what my eyes see, unfortunately.

I don't think this discussion in anyway detracts from the rather spectacular nature of the group!

Well that was a pretty spiffy thread. Any idea what the prison is used for today??

I think this is a sad situation with these. I can count on one hand the number of authentic ones I ever saw. The first generation of these all had the lithopane bases that you could see (usually) a woman's face in the base. The second/third generation of these were like yours and the 2 I posted. Often they will have the fake marks on the bottom. Think these are cute, you should see some of the absolute rubbish WW2 ones floating around the marketplace. Those have been out long enough now to have acquired some "age & patina" and people are paying all sorts of stupid money for steins that are about 20-30 years old!

The 18-Year cross is actually (IMO) harder to find, especially with the correct silver embroidered ribbon eagle.

Chris, that bar is fabulous, can we post it in Imperial too?!

My thoughts would be to BUY that collection asap!! Nice stuff Chris!

Back to the top! C'mon Gals & Guys..... show us what you are hoarding!

I have a rather interesting photo of a White Falcon being worn by an ex-WW1 Observer. Photo is actually dated and mailed as a postcard. I'll try and get a scan up later tonight.

Interesting Glen, I did not know this was allowed with respects to a "first appointment" as opposed to final posting uniform!

Greetings Rosenberg, a quick search on eBay.de will show you 100+ different variations on these. That alone should tell you something. The names, the units, the sayings will all be different as each one is individually painted by (probably) slave-labor wage "employees" in some underdeveloped country. I have yet to see an authentic example of a stein of this type.

Also, not the similarities between the base marks on your stein and the base marks of the railway stein I posted for you that is similar in design as well as similar in top "ornament".

I leave this matter to you for your own conclusions.

If you are satisfied that the piece is authentic and you are happy with it, then enjoy your piece, by all means. We each must make our individual conclusions on what we collect and ultimately, on the authenticity of the items we own.

Best Regards, Rick

An interesting thread. I would agree with Chris... if the pieces were "corrected" by the recipient himself, or his surviving family and you had definitive provenance, I would have no problem (would actually prefer these!) owning a group like this.

I have a photograph of the '57 group of a recipient to a numbered PAB... he displayed the '57 stuff and showed pix of the actual awards very privately to others!

Hi Marc, an impressive display and a heck of an initial posting! Welcome to the forum!

Hi Ed, I agree, there's all sorts of bizarre color-shifts that occur with these older photos. But It seems (to my eye anyway) that the '31-34 medal had outside edge stripes with enough contrast to show up, even in this smaller washed-out image. Of course, I could be completely wrong on this, just my eyes "talking" here ;>)

Yep, need close-ups of the entire thing, front and back. I think I've only seen 3 real ones, one was cased and passed through Mr. Bean's hands a few years back. The attachments of the eagles and the pebbling look odd, as does the color.

Having said that, I would not want to make a positive ID one way or the other based strictly on the one photo.

Hi Jaques, an interesting thread and very interesting photographs. Does anybody know how many of these "crossover" type men there were?

Nope, just cruised your pix in another thread of the '04-05 Japanese-Russian War Medal. With the outside colors looking so blended as to be (stripe) indistinguishable, my money is on this medal. I think the other one would be showing its' edge stripes (as it were)!!

Well, that was rather informative and fascinating reading. Thanks Ed!

I don't know who made W?rttemburg, but I know Scharffenberg (Dresden) made the Saxon Bars and Hossauer was (one of) the maker(s) of the earlier Prussian Bars.