Stogieman

I'm not aware of any specific numbers available for the actual awards. I would estimate, given the very late institution of the badge, less than a 1000 actual awards. 99% of the private-purchase pieces are most likely post-war, with a very few by Juncker pre-1919 still bearing the Imperial Crescent Moon and 800 marks. But even that is just an educated guess. There's simply no available research material/data on this the rarest of the Imperial German flight badges.

Thanks Glen, Thanks Rick. The assistance is most appreciated!

I agree with Mike on this one, rivets showing are examples of known originals. I prefer the JFS style pieces, I have difficulty with the "GB" style hollow badges as the reproductions are right there, unfortunately. Give me a solid piece any day.

A magnificent piece of work by Paul. This will get a whole bunch more of you guys & Gals into the research mode!!

Still one of the most amazing groups I have seen in years. Thanks for bringing this one in to share with us Claudio!

And another one. How many german-style Romanian ribbon bars have you seen in the last 20 years?

And another one. The sad thing is there's a couple that look right, but I wouldn't trust anything from this guy any more

Fabulous bar Claudio, just wonderful. Even better with the photo!

Hi Brian, very nice. Unusual to see a broken 1914 one! A great history that seems to just keep growing!

Guess what? ANOTHER Bar with the Danzig cross! Gadzooks!

OK, so maybe not an award date but a commemorative inscription? I still think it looks legit, but can offer no explanation for the date/unit inscription.

I think you have a cross that has been cleaned within an inch of its' former life Claudio. The style of the engraving looks consistent with other Imperial era pieces, the syntax and abbreviations are all consistent with period use (another place BTW that the fakers seem to consistently screw-up).... I suspect that the cross is legit and the prior owner has removed every shred of age from it. Note that there is no patina on the front either and despite the obvious wear to the paint/core, the enamel looks rather shiny as does the exposed iron.

I think it's a winner, if you like cleaned items.

I would sure try to research his award date prior to buying the cross though.

I do not trust the veritable abundance of C. P?llath cases floating around the collector circuit these past few years..... nor do I really care for 99.9% of the "Bavarian" flight badges being flogged on dealer sites. In all my years of doing this, I've seen exactly three (3) authentic Bavarian (private purchase) Badges.......

Hi Brian, if "collector value" is of no issue or concern, then I do not understand why you would want to alter the piece at all. Wouldn't the best way to preserve your families heritage and the integrity thereof by keeping the group intact, well documented and together for the forseeable future? If collector interest isn't the concern at all, then I would suggest the best thing for you to do would be to find a museum in Germany that would accept your bequeath and honor your intent and concerns by preserving the group and its' history intact. I'm quite sure any number of the Prussian Military Museums would leap at that opportunity and honor your desires and concerns............ without altering the pieces themselves. Of course you could take a substantial tax break for the donation, but that would be a secondary benefit of knowing your heritage has been preserved.

You should be careful buying from Christian, he has had several batches of bad ribbon bars lately.

I don't know. I don't think it's a good idea and I think to even be assuming the grouping will be scattered to the wind is a pretty sad state of affairs. I've owned a number of pieces that were attributed and I have never considered altering them in anyway. I think doing this will seriously affect any "collector value" rather severely, but I suppose only time will tell that.

Interesting to see the Austrian Jubilee Medal on a Civil Ribbon (red-solid) next to the Centennial Medal

I think Ralph has one of these that was boxed??

Hi Ralph, a rather awesome grouping. Are the outer cartons maker marked at all, or all the same basic box?

And a very nice piece at that. very nice indeed. I have seen many similar ones, but never one quite this elaborate!

slightly altered scan:

Looks right to me, here's another example:

Hi Brian, I'd have to agree, I would not engrave the pieces at all.

Pricing is simple supply & demand. Imperial pieces will bring (usually) higher prices with the people who "need" the piece. Shop a few of the "major" (and I do use the term loosely) dealer websites and you will find pieces that have been sitting there for 2+ years........... this is a function of normal price trends. Dealer A thinks his FAK2 is worth $150.... it doesn't sell, but other dealers follow the 'trend' and raise their prices and there's a glut of over-priced FAK2's on the market that don't sell. Normal supply & demand, basic economics.

Certain items will bring massive money in the hands of those that have knowledge and respect from collectors. Most items of this nature will trade hands privately and never see the light of day......... It is difficult to establish pricing for obscure rarities because in the proper circle these items are basicly a "name your price" piece. I'm not talking PLM's here either.

I would submit that Imperial is hardly "undervalued" as Mr. Gottlieb has inferred, but more accurately priced than over-blown 3. reich items are these days. I have watched both war's materials spiral ever upwards over the past 6 years. However, we are in a situation as such:

Finite supply of items overall

Finite supply of buyers willing to pay the prices asked

There you have it from a true economist. Remember people, you are discussing economics. Economics is unproven theory applied to surrealistic situations.

And I suppose ya'll think that the Hurricane is responsible for obscene price increases in the 1000+ gallons of bought & paid for gas IN THE GROUND at your local service station's storage tank??

When people STOP buying gas at "Brigandich" prices, the price will come down quite nicely.......

As with many makers, you will find multiple maker marks over the period 1860-1945... For Godet, you will see: "JGuS", "G", "Godet", "Godet Berlin" and several variations thereof.. While unusual to find a RAO2 in silver-gilt, it certainly looks quite legitimate to me, based on the photos he's showing.

Hope this helps!